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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You said "Combinations of the two in varying degrees, misinformation from the people he put in charge, etc." I agree with you about your 'combination' theory of lying and being misinformed also.

    The debate is over and you win. Congrats!
    The combination could have included his people lying, not necessarily the president. A combination. But hey, whatever floats your boat, rage on.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The combination could have included his people lying, not necessarily the president. A combination. But hey, whatever floats your boat, rage on.
    Yes, yes, a combination of lying and being misinformed. We agree. No need to go on.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "You like your insurance you can keep it"

    "Read my lips, no new taxes"
    Yes and it cost Bush 1 reelection...........What has Obama's iies cost him?????
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yes and it cost Bush 1 reelection...........What has Obama's iies cost him?????
    Barrack Obama doesn't really matter. He will soon be gone and remembered only as the first Black president and worst president in US history, including Jimmy Carter.

    The bigger question is what he has cost America in financial terms, the reintroduction of corruption and crony capitalism on a grand scale, the demeaning of the office he held, as well as the damage to American credibility throughout a dangerous world.

    Had Barrack Obama done what he did in private industry he would have been tried and convicted for fraud on a grand scale but because he is in the government he will get away with it, ghost write a book or two and retire in splendour, with armed security always around him. The American people will be stuck with the tab.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Do you think it was conservatism that gave blacks and women the right to vote? No, it was liberalism.
    You have drunk the from the poisoned chalice too many times. These comments illustrate a deep level of ignorance about the subject at hand... but that is the beauty of debatepolitics.com... it allows for education. But to be educated requires an open mind. The student must be prepared for the teacher. So the test is threefold.

    Good Luck!

    Republicans were instrumental in liberating Blacks and Women. It is the Demokrats that stood in opposition.

    Women's rights... do you think a party that held down Blacks was eager to liberate women? Does it make sense? Not really. I believe you should sit down before reading the entire article. If you're open minded enough to accept such a source that is.

    the number of people who know anything about the forty-year legislative war that preceded that victory is smaller than the audience of MSNBC. That war began in 1878, when a California Republican named A.A. Sargent introduced the 19th Amendment only to see it voted down by a Democrat-controlled Congress. It finally ended four decades later, when the Republicans won landslide victories in the House and the Senate, giving them the power to pass the amendment despite continued opposition from most elected Democrats — including President Woodrow Wilson, to whom the suffragettes frequently referred as “Kaiser Wilson.”
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

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    I didn't defend his comments, I said I don't think he was INTENTIONALLY lying...
    Here is what you stated...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    ... I just find it funny how foaming at the mouth partisan hacks will automatically gravitate to "He LIED" without rational thinking.
    Seems like you have employed the Slippery School of ObamaSpeak. But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have been in a coma for the past 5-years.

    Now... let's have a stab at "rational thinking" shall we?

    First a trip down memory lane:

    Obama is the president of the United States.
    Obama and his party desperately want single payer. (He's said it).
    Obama has a window of opportunity to shove one up America's backside with Control of Congress.
    The Demokrats write a bill.
    Dead Kennedy exits the scene.
    Americans do not want said bill, and even the Socialist State of MA is on board by electing Republican Scott Brown to stop ObamaKare.
    ObamaKare is Passed using tricks.
    Pelosi stated we have to pass it to find out what is inside it. It's an Amerikan Christmas gift.
    ...
    Three years pass...
    along the way Obama repeatedly tells the American public you can keep your plan and Doctor.
    Friends of ObamaKare are given all manner of waivers.
    ObamaKare is launched and America begins to realize the massive turd Obama sprung on the country with the aid of His party and ONLY his party.
    The turd grows to massive proportions in 30-days.
    People cannot keep their Dr. or their plan.
    Costs increase.
    Demokrats reveal they knew nobody running the show had a clue... 3 YEARS AGO. But of course Obama knew nothing about this or the realities of his plan. Is it because he is ignorant or a pathological liar on par with Felonious Bill Clinton?
    Obamacare: Memo reveals health care adviser warned W.H. was losing control 3 years ago - CBS News

    Top Democrat: Of Course We Knew 'You Can Keep Your Plan' Wasn't Actually True
    Top Democrat: Of Course We Knew 'You Can Keep Your Plan' Wasn't Actually True - Guy Benson

    Obama lied about Benghazi.
    Obama tried to shift his Red Line comment onto the rest of the world.
    Having been bailed out, and not really being challenged on either of these whoppers... is it surprising he would try the following bit of greasy lying?

    NOOooooooo...

    His lying is not intentional. He is only the President and does not know what members of his party knew, and what his advisers knew. I don't buy it... you might... ROTFLOL... but let's say he didn't... ROTFLMFAO... he didn't... ROTFLMFAO... he didn't Bwahhahahahahaha... he didn't know... (gasping for air)... isn't that worse?

    The Real Slim Shady just stood up! What does that say about your judgement?
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but that simply isn't true. The Republican party is more interested in soving morality anti-gay, anti-choice. Hardly freedom.

    Sorry, but that is a CONSERVATIVE mentality not a liberal one. Liberalism was going against the norm and giving the women and blacks the right to vote, it was conservatism that fought it. Parties change ideology, not ONE party is the same as when it was founded. That much is true and is in history. However, the concept of liberalism and conservatism remained constant. ONly the parties changed.
    That is historically objectively false. Liberalism as an ideology meant something very different prior to the early 20th Century. When Progressivism got a bad public flavor, they switched to calling themselves "Liberals" mostly because no one else was really using the name, and worked for them. Dewey, in particular, was a big advocate of redefining "Liberal" from its' previous arguments for minimal necessary government, free trade, and individual autonomy.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

    As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.
    Conservatives made kids work in factories? Are you for ****ing real? Really?
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You have drunk the from the poisoned chalice too many times. These comments illustrate a deep level of ignorance about the subject at hand... but that is the beauty of debatepolitics.com... it allows for education. But to be educated requires an open mind. The student must be prepared for the teacher. So the test is threefold.

    Good Luck!

    Republicans were instrumental in liberating Blacks and Women. It is the Demokrats that stood in opposition.

    Women's rights... do you think a party that held down Blacks was eager to liberate women? Does it make sense? Not really. I believe you should sit down before reading the entire article. If you're open minded enough to accept such a source that is.



    Now... take a little test and show us your ignorance or lack thereof:
    HistoryTest | National Black Republican Association
    You again are making the falacy of thinking Dem = Liberal and Republican = conservatism. That is flat out false, we are talking liberalism and conservatism here. Conservatives fought to keep blacks and women from voting, liberals did not.

    Keep up son, you're failing.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Conservatives made kids work in factories? Are you for ****ing real? Really?
    In the past yes, conservatism was what kept kids in the factories.

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