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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seemed locked in a space where only Liberals can do good, not apparently understanding what Conservatism really means. You think you know what it means, of course, but you really don't. Read some books on the subject, written by Conservatives, and you'll get a better idea of what it's about and the values contained in the philosophy.
    I have read about conservatism and you seem to be locked in a space where only conservatives can do good. I even commented how this country needs BOTH conservatism and liberal so your comments are not about me since I never said ONLY liberalism is good.

    I even commented above how liberalism (in the form of gun control) was bad, so you can't pigeon hold me to your statement. Try reading what I actual said, not what you want me to say.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I didn't defend his comments, I said I don't think he was INTENTIONALLY lying. It's clear the ACA is a trainwreck and THAT'S what I commented on. Just because I don't buy into YOUR rhetoric, does not mean I'm automatically FOR Obama and his policies. I also don't think he is a super secret Muslim, does that make me for Obama's policies too? Jesus man, learn some logic.



    So because I don't buy into your rhetoric that he intentionally lied, that somehow is agreeing with everything Obama does?

    You need to work on your logic a bit there son.
    So you don't believe he lied but was instead misinformed continually over a period of years? I think it's more flattering to Obama to just call him a liar and be done with it.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you don't believe he lied but was instead misinformed continually over a period of years? I think it's more flattering to Obama to just call him a liar and be done with it.
    No, I think he was thinking his comments would be correct. I could care less what you think is better.

    Regardless, just because I don't think he was intentionally lying does not mean I automatically support Obama and his policies as some have said.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, I think he was thinking his comments would be correct. I could care less what you think is better.

    Regardless, just because I don't think he was intentionally lying does not mean I automatically support Obama and his policies as some have said.
    Just pointing out the alternatives. He was either repeating false information for a few years, in which case he should fire those responsible for making him a public ass, or he could admit to lying. Admitting to lying would seem to be the better option then having to face the fact his staff made a fool of him for all that time. Maybe they were just having a good laugh at his expense.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just pointing out the alternatives. He was either repeating false information for a few years, in which case he should fire those responsible for making him a public ass, or he could admit to lying. Admitting to lying would seem to be the better option then having to face the fact his staff made a fool of him for all that time. Maybe they were just having a good laugh at his expense.
    There is more than your two choices, but if you must feel that way, nothing I say will stop you. But I will continue to refute the lies being told about me that becuase I don't think Obama intentionally lied, that I somehow agree with all his policies. That's just silly to accuse someone of that.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is more than your two choices, but if you must feel that way, nothing I say will stop you. But I will continue to refute the lies being told about me that becuase I don't think Obama intentionally lied, that I somehow agree with all his policies. That's just silly to accuse someone of that.
    What other choices are there? He was lying or he was misinformed over the years seems to be the only two that immediately comes to mind. \What others can you add?

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What other choices are there? He was lying or he was misinformed over the years seems to be the only two that immediately comes to mind. \What others can you add?
    Combinations of the two in varying degrees, misinformation from the people he put in charge, etc. You are just wanting to pigeon hold everything in YOUR two choices. Life is not black and white, neither are decisions.

    Again, that doesn't mean Obama isn't responsible for this mess, afterall he put those people in charge.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Combinations of the two in varying degrees, misinformation from the people he put in charge, etc. You are just wanting to pigeon hold everything in YOUR two choices. Life is not black and white, neither are decisions.

    Again, that doesn't mean Obama isn't responsible for this mess, afterall he put those people in charge.
    So he was misinformed and he was also lying. Yes, that is another choice and you may be right.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So he was misinformed and he was also lying. Yes, that is another choice and you may be right.
    I didn't say either of those things, but hey, whatever floats your boat. You have fun and rage on!

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I didn't say either of those things, but hey, whatever floats your boat. You have fun and rage on!
    You said "Combinations of the two in varying degrees, misinformation from the people he put in charge, etc." I agree with you about your 'combination' theory of lying and being misinformed also.

    The debate is over and you win. Congrats!

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