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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It wasnt real insurnace. but anyway...
    Define "real insurance?" Is that the one where a 30 year old single male needs to have maternity coverage?

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It wasnt real insurnace. but anyway...
    Nonsense. That is like saying that a mobile home is not a real home or that an older vehicle is not a real vehicle. Medicaid is not "real" insurance either, meaning that is is accepted at very few care facilities, due to its substandard reimbursement rates and bizarre coding requirements, yet it is now being expanded as part of PPACA. Those that try to defend PPACA seem to be either those with employer provided coverage (not yet fully under PPACA) or those that get subsidies.
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And you are making the mistake of equating Repulbicans with Conservatives and Dems with Liberals. We are talking about liberalism and conservatism not parties. Both parties have switched ideologies before and no ONE party contains ALL conservatives or ALL liberals.
    No, they have not switched parties. Do you genuinely believe that that the Democrats of today are 'liberal"? That Barrack Obama is a liberal?

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, they have not switched parties. Do you genuinely believe that that the Democrats of today are 'liberal"? That Barrack Obama is a liberal?
    Yes, they have switched parties and no, neither party maintains a monopoly on ideology of conservatism or liberalism. Do you really think it was conservatism that got children out of factories? No, it was liberalism. Do you think it was conservatism that gave blacks and women the right to vote? No, it was liberalism.

    Now, strict liberalism or conservatism is never a good thing. BOTH have their strong points and weak points.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, they have switched parties and no, neither party maintains a monopoly on ideology of conservatism or liberalism. Do you really think it was conservatism that got children out of factories? No, it was liberalism. Do you think it was conservatism that gave blacks and women the right to vote? No, it was liberalism. Now, strict liberalism or conservatism is never a good thing. BOTH have their strong points and weak points.
    It was the Republicans who supported Woman's Suffrage, who fought for African Americans while the Democrats now fight for more government control, which is as illiberal, in the traditional sense, as possible, The Republican Party of today, as in the past, is fighting for the freedom of the individual while today's liberal feels that more government equals more personal freedom. It's a modern tragedy.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was the Republicans who supported Woman's Suffrage, who fought for African Americans while the Democrats now fight for more government control, which is as illiberal, in the traditional sense, as possible, The Republican Party of today, as in the past, is fighting for the freedom of the individual while today's liberal feels that more government equals more personal freedom. It's a modern tragedy.
    Sorry, but that simply isn't true. The Republican party is more interested in soving morality anti-gay, anti-choice. Hardly freedom.

    Sorry, but that is a CONSERVATIVE mentality not a liberal one. Liberalism was going against the norm and giving the women and blacks the right to vote, it was conservatism that fought it. Parties change ideology, not ONE party is the same as when it was founded. That much is true and is in history. However, the concept of liberalism and conservatism remained constant. ONly the parties changed.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but that simply isn't true. The Republican party is more interested in soving morality anti-gay, anti-choice. Hardly freedo

    Sorry, but that is a CONSERVATIVE mentality not a liberal one. Liberalism was going against the norm and giving the women and blacks the right to vote, it was conservatism that fought it. Parties change ideology, not ONE party is the same as when it was founded. That much is true and is in history. However, the concept of liberalism and conservatism remained constant. Only the parties changed.
    Its an interesting subject and one I'd like to discuss further but the mods have put me on notice a couple of time for going off topic.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

    As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.
    like how you take my post out of context did I say liberals where going away? I said big government liberalism will be

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Its an interesting subject and one I'd like to discuss further but the mods have put me on notice a couple of time for going off topic.
    Probably because you can't tell the difference between political ideology and political party.

    I guess the next time Republicans demand federal standards for something they'll think twice.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

    As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.
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