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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Apparently the best way to remain strong is to continue to feck with countries far away, choose their leaders for them, impose "democracy" on them, slaughter their innocents, destroy their infrastructures, exploit their national resources, send in select corporations to become local "partners", kill many of their adult males and drone the general population into submission. It's what America does to the rest of the world. Do all of this by sending the American People to do this. Do not send your own kith and ken. In Washington your job is to make everyone suffer but everyone in Washington. In Washington your job is to prosper. Walk proud, neocons, walk proud.
    While I might, with much revision, agree to some of what you have to say... what is your solution? We do, indeed, live in a dangerous world, the United States is in the position we are in... what then to do?

    Casting aspersions are easy, they only show mess on the other guy... what is the Risky Thicket independent view of how we should shoulder, or run away, or any dot on the spectrum between the two, from where we are right now in world history?
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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Hagel, Pannetta, Obama, Clinton, all the same mindset, all neocons. All "American exceptionalists"
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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I made no reference to party. Both political parties like profiting from war. Unlike your immature blind partisan hatred.

    Oh and about stabbing the troops in the back...
    Republicans pushed for the war in Iraq but then refused to give them proper equipment. So you can just put the lid on that.

    LOL. Identify the proper equipment to conduct war.
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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    While I might, with much revision, agree to some of what you have to say... what is your solution? We do, indeed, live in a dangerous world, the United States is in the position we are in... what then to do?

    Casting aspersions are easy, they only show mess on the other guy... what is the Risky Thicket independent view of how we should shoulder, or run away, or any dot on the spectrum between the two, from where we are right now in world history?
    We don't have enough space and I don't have enough time to list everything, but thank you for asking.

    1. Toss the War Powers Act. Only Congress can declare war. Invading foreign lands are acts of war. Droning the people of other nations are acts of war. The point is that, per the Constitution only Congress can declare war. For various self-serving reasons Congress and the White House have subverted the Constitution for decades. That must end.

    2. Women should be required to register for Selective Service. (Actually, I favor conscription with NO, ZERO, exemptions for the sons and daughters of the rich and powerful. The point being war SHOULD BE a national sacrifice, currently it is not. If you want to go to war you must know that you will likely sacrifice and that the sacrifice may be great.)

    3. War taxes. I don't have specifics but corporations should not make huge profits as a result of armed conflict. Doing so and "owning" many members of Congress ensures a constant state of war. Killing people should not be good for business.

    4. The US should leave Afghanistan, Iraq and North Africa soonest. We have no business there. Let the region deal with the region. Let the region deal with Iran. Israel is not an American state. We give them more support than we give Puerto Rico. If Israel didn't have our promised physical and fiscal support they would be more encouraged to be a better neighbor in their regional community. No matter, we cannot have Israel's safety dictate US policy. The US needs to leave the region. If the US wants to sacrifice for Israel then everyone needs to face the reality of sacrifice. It must be palpable. See number 2.

    5. Declarations of war - by Congress - must have specific, clearly defined reasons. Iraq and Afghanistan are perfect examples of that. You cannot know when to leave if you don't have a realistic and well defined mission. The "War on Terror" is nothing more than marketing bull**** that ensures the perpetuation of America's involvement in armed conflict.

    6. Honor the nation's commitment to veterans. No more feel good yellow ribbon, flag waving, support the troops, invite a veteran to stand and wave at half-time horse sh*t, make the home folk feel good, garbage. In the consideration of war, realistic, long term costs related to veterans must be considered and/or debated in Congress openly and up front. The American People must know the long term costs of honoring their commitments to veterans and their families. Veterans deserve first rate assistance and services. Those things should be guaranteed BEFORE sending American men and women into the breech. Costs must be realistic and taxes must be agreed upon and levied as a consequence of declaring war.

    These are a few things off the top of my head. Most if not all of the above will not/would not be popular because they require real sacrifice for all Americans. And that is the over arching point. War is just too damned easy for most Americans.
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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Hagel, Pannetta, Obama, Clinton, all the same mindset, all neocons. All "American exceptionalists"
    America is exceptional.

    I think that both Clinton and Obama, at best, are very reluctant American Exceptionalists.
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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Does the OP know what the word "remains" mean? As in does he know if someone says "We must remain strong" that they are staying we are currently strong and need to stay that way?

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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Does the OP know what the word "remains" mean? As in does he know if someone says "We must remain strong" that they are staying we are currently strong and need to stay that way?
    I can guess his response to that: SOCIALISM!
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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    no more war. somebody else's turn.

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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I made no reference to party. Both political parties like profiting from war. Unlike your immature blind partisan hatred.

    Oh and about stabbing the troops in the back...
    Republicans pushed for the war in Iraq but then refused to give them proper equipment. So you can just put the lid on that.
    Refused to give them the proper equipment ?
    Care to explain ? We went into Iraq with Clinton's military.

    Are you one of those who advocated weighing down our grunts with so much body armor that they couldn't fight on their feet and had to fight in their Humvee's ?

    When I hear "stabbing our troops in the back" I only think of when the Democrats sent American boys to fight in Vietnam and then stabbed them in the backs when they were still on the Battlefields of Vietnam.

    But I guess forcing Obama's liberal politically correct Rules of Engagement (ROE) upon our troops in Afghanistan which are causing them to bleed and die could be considered stabbing our troops in the back.

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    Re: Panetta: US may have to use military force against Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Refused to give them the proper equipment ?
    Care to explain ? We went into Iraq with Clinton's military.

    Are you one of those who advocated weighing down our grunts with so much body armor that they couldn't fight on their feet and had to fight in their Humvee's ?

    When I hear "stabbing our troops in the back" I only think of when the Democrats sent American boys to fight in Vietnam and then stabbed them in the backs when they were still on the Battlefields of Vietnam.

    But I guess forcing Obama's liberal politically correct Rules of Engagement (ROE) upon our troops in Afghanistan which are causing them to bleed and die could be considered stabbing our troops in the back.
    Obama is an expert at that. His escalation of the war in Afgan with his compromise surge and an announced withdrawal date, was the most blatant form of stabbing our troops in the back I've witnessed in my lifetime.
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