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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I just said they aren't fighting to win.

    They are fighting for Allah; or rather, a distorted version of Allah who wants them to kill as many infidels as possible, even if it means suicide bombing innocent civilians.

    In such a religiously charged climate, with education being minimal and poverty rampant, do you think the richest nation in the world killing the Pakistani leader of the Taliban is going to change anything?

    In other words, what are we fighting for exactly? What is the endgame? I do not wish to have this conversation again in 10 years, but people with your mindset make me acquiesce to the fact that we probably will, and you will pose the same argument and I will pose the same argument, meanwhile more death and wasted treasure with nothing to show for it.
    We have to win the war and by following through with 'lines in the sand' rather than dancing away from them is the only way.

    We cannot be politically correct either. We have to define who the enemy is, where they are located and attack full force, just as George Bush said he would do in his speech following 9/11. The 'hearts and minds' theory is useless. Another poster rightly pointed out that wars are becoming politicized rather than doing what is necessary to win which is naming the enemy, attacking them, and killing them. At the same time re-education would begin as quickly as well.

    We can't have third world religious fanatics who shoot little girls on their way to school having weaponry of any kind. A couple of large bombs taken from the stockpile and used strategically will save more lives over the long haul than any number of drones or outreach programs will ever achieve.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We have to define who the enemy is, where they are located and attack full force
    Sun Tzu would beg to disagree.

    This line of thinking is part of the reason the US didn't win Vietnam.

    It's simplistic thinking like this that gets nations into quagmires.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Sun Tzu would beg to disagree.
    Who cares?

    This line of thinking is part of the reason the US didn't win Vietnam.
    No, it's why they didn't win.

    It's simplistic thinking like this that gets nations into quagmires.
    'Quagmire' must be one of the first words a leftist learns. Dropping a couple of atomic bombs avoided any 'quagmires' in Japan. If Sun Tzu had access to them his entire philosophy would have abruptly changed.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Facts, schmacks. They don't mean nothin' to an Obama hater. They think Factchecker's are commies. LOL!
    1. Factcheckers who disagree with Glenn Beck are commies (and also fascists) who hate America. That is true and anyone who disagrees probably hates Jesus and babies.

    2. It's a good strike. Conservatives ought to point out that Obama's greatest foreign policy achievements have come from keeping and expanding Bush initiatives, while his greatest failures have (thus far) come from deviating from them. May this guy rest in a warm place .

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Sun Tzu would beg to disagree.

    This line of thinking is part of the reason the US didn't win Vietnam.
    when did the United States invade North Vietnam, or indeed, bring it's "full force" to bear? Given that the United States had the ability (should it have chosen to exercise it) to reduce North Vietnam to ash-covered rubble, it would seem that it does not, in fact, stand as a remonstrance to the argument that warfare is properly conducted by bringing "full force" to bear, but rather as a remonstrance of the notion that one can perpetually fight a "limited force" engagement, which is what we attempted in Vietnam.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's easier to take them out at 50 at a time then one at a time anyway. Those who have considered fighting for the glory of a religious fanatic might also be reconsidering their options.
    All the while radicallizing the ones living in the UK and US.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Vietnam was a civil war; while China did support the North, the partition of Vietnam was un-natural - it is a unified state by organic design.

    I can't remember a lot of what happened in French Indochina -kinna sketchy on all that - but we had no real interest in whatever happened in Vietnam;
    and one could make a very strong argumant the South was a corrupt gov't propped up by the US, and the N. Vietnamess were the true nationalists.

    It was our "dominoe theory" paranoia, and the stupid SEATO, alliance that got us in there, and unable to leave, until the South Vietnamese army was over-run.
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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    All the while radicallizing the ones living in the UK and US.
    What evidence do you have of that? Certainly some, like the Boston bombers, will react but, as we are reminded frequently, most Muslims are not terrorists. It is in the interest of everyone, including Muslims, that terrorist are eliminated. In fact most victims of Islamic violence are Muslims.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Vietnam was a civil war;
    No, it was not.

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    Re: Head of the Pakistani Taliban Killed by US Drone Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What evidence do you have of that? Certainly some, like the Boston bombers, will react but, as we are reminded frequently, most Muslims are not terrorists. It is in the interest of everyone, including Muslims, that terrorist are eliminated. In fact most victims of Islamic violence are Muslims.
    DC Sniper.
    9/11 Hijackers.
    Shoe Bomber.
    Toronto 18.
    Hamburg terror cell.
    London Underground bombing.
    Killing a Brit sodier in broad daylight.
    Ft Hood shooting.
    Need more?

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