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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, but from the exchange....I just looked this morning to see, and my coverage here from the same carrier, BC/BS would go from $240 per month my cost, to $834 per month if I want to keep anywhere near the same co pay, and deductible.
    Who do you have? I have Anthem Blue Cross, Blue shield and my plans are going up $50 per month for the same co-pay and deductible?

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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

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    Oh absolutely...Remember what Jan Schakowsky [sic] said to her constituents in a speech in the run up to passage.

    This socialist piece of anti american trash shouldn't be in congress, she and her corrupt husband should be in jail.

    Read about her.
    Notice also the demonizing of opponents. That's also now typical.

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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

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    Notice also the demonizing of opponents. That's also now typical.
    Are you serisouly making the claim the right doesn't demonize their opponents?

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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wow, so this is how the other side thinks. So if one is happy with their plan, and then ACA comes in making it illegal, it's the employer who is bad because it won't make up the difference. Just wow!
    I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. In my example it's clear (to me anyways ) that the employer is using Obamacare as an excuse to cut the employees compensation package. I am in no way happy with how this law is turning out. The thing to me though about these stories is they stop short of the whole story. They report that employers plans are illegal under Obamacare and they have to drop them. I haven't seen any stories that ask if the employer is going to a different plan or is changing their compensation package to compensate.
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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

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    I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. In my example it's clear (to me anyways ) that the employer is using Obamacare as an excuse to cut the employees compensation package. I am in no way happy with how this law is turning out. The thing to me though about these stories is they stop short of the whole story. They report that employers plans are illegal under Obamacare and they have to drop them. I haven't seen any stories that ask if the employer is going to a different plan or is changing their compensation package to compensate.
    This whole notion that the employer is now responsible, for fixing what ACA is ****ing up, is perposterous! The discussion should be entirely focused on why ACA is coming in a making existing plans illegal, and why that is the problem.
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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Jan Schakowsky - Discover the Networks[/url]
    Remarkable! Following Barrack Obama, this certainly doesn't say much for the people of Illinois.

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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Are you serisouly making the claim the right doesn't demonize their opponents?
    It seems clear I was saying that the woman in the video was demonizing her opponents. There is no need to guess.

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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This whole notion that the employer is now responsible, for fixing what ACA is ****ing up, is perposterous!
    In no way am I claiming the employer is responsible, but in my example they are far from the victim.

    The discussion should be entirely focused on why ACA is coming in a making existing plans illegal, and why that is the problem.
    I wouldn't call this the problem, but it most definitely is a problem with the law.
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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    OK everybody. NOW can we all agree that the Democrats and Obama are incompetent thieving idiots?
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    Re: More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. In my example it's clear (to me anyways ) that the employer is using Obamacare as an excuse to cut the employees compensation package. I am in no way happy with how this law is turning out. The thing to me though about these stories is they stop short of the whole story. They report that employers plans are illegal under Obamacare and they have to drop them. I haven't seen any stories that ask if the employer is going to a different plan or is changing their compensation package to compensate.
    To say that "using it as an excuse" is a little disingenuous. The government has incentivized business to do just that, and just like with the HHS regulations for insurance plans, its intentional.

    For the exchanges to work, they need to get as many people off traditional individual(small business, self-employed, etc) and group(employer-based) policies and onto the exchanges. Without the additional bodies, the exchanges will be essentially high risk, high use policy holders only, which will drive up the costs. The government also needs additional dollars from penalties to pay for the subsidies, and making it attractive for businesses to pay them is the easiest, and populist, way to achieve that goal.

    Without the additional penalty money and larger population on the exchange, not only will the costs to those that purchase be too high, but the government tab will be too.

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