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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
    If there were armed cops at the scene why was this allowed to go on so long?
    Were the cops on coffee break or something? Why was he able to shoot so many people?
    All I have heard was that the police were all heroes. Where were the "heroes" when the shooting started?

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
    If there were armed cops at the scene why was this allowed to go on so long?
    Were the cops on coffee break or something? Why was he able to shoot so many people?
    All I have heard was that the police were all heroes. Where were the "heroes" when the shooting started?

    that's a pretty good set of questions I do concede.



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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if well trained civilians were carrying weapons the mope might have been terminated much faster.

    Gun control laws really don't stop people willing to die
    Exactly......the guy couldn't kill himself. So he was looking for the Cops to do the job for him.

    This was the problem with the MS Media trying to report the story and going Straight to Motive and how he was Anti Government and that he had all these writings on him. he had one piece of paper. A Note.

    Although I can tell you the media is still reporting the incident and its non stop with.....he attacked with an Assault Rifle or Assault Weapon.

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
    Do you realize how large the baggage screening area could potentially be at a Cat X airport?

    Typically, one of those armed LEO's is nearly permanently stationed at what's known as the "LEO" door, the path into the secure area of that gun toting LEO's have to go through.

    In an airport as large as LAX there's an extremely good chance that one could easily get through people and up to the screening locations without passing very close to a LEO.

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you realize how large the baggage screening area could potentially be at a Cat X airport?

    Typically, one of those armed LEO's is nearly permanently stationed at what's known as the "LEO" door, the path into the secure area of that gun toting LEO's have to go through.

    In an airport as large as LAX there's an extremely good chance that one could easily get through people and up to the screening locations without passing very close to a LEO.
    Just not enough armed cops huh? Too big to be secure?
    Do you think there will be more now?

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
    If there were armed cops at the scene why was this allowed to go on so long?
    Were the cops on coffee break or something? Why was he able to shoot so many people?
    All I have heard was that the police were all heroes. Where were the "heroes" when the shooting started?
    Agree. The 'hero' comments reek of collective ass-covering by responsible police administration.

    Answers in no specific order:

    • Poor or non-existent communication
    • Lackadaisical personnel at all levels
    • Poor training or refresher training
    • Not enough K9 officers in facility
    • Nobody watching cameras and reporting
    • Poor facility threat analysis and personnel staging
    • No accountability at all command levels
    • Arrogance
    • Complete stupidity
    • Nobody really gave a ****.
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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Just not enough armed cops huh? Too big to be secure?
    Do you think there will be more now?
    I understand your MO this entire thread has been to throw out crazy statements and then attempt to capitalize on strawmen when people call you on said statements....sorry, but it's not my first rodeo with a hyper partisan that thinks acting absurdly makes for good debate. I made no such claim whether there wasn't "Enough armed cops" or suggested it was too big to secure. I simply suggested that acting like two armed LEO's being in the screening area of a Cat-X sized airports somehow means that this absolutely should've been stopped or that they must've been on "coffee break" when it occurred.

    As with all things with regards to Airport Security it's an instance of finding the best ratio between the best security possible and the least amount of hassle to the traveling public. Whether or not this causes TSA to try and push for more of their LE Office's presence in the airports is something I don't know and quite frankly really couldn't comment on even if I did know. Taking a guess, I wouldn't be shocked if it's discussed since it was something discussed back during the early days of TSA starting up and when their current law enforcement arm was brought back under their purview some years ago.

    I don't particularly think this singular instance necessitates such action, but that's a call way above my pay grade.

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I understand your MO this entire thread has been to throw out crazy statements and then attempt to capitalize on strawmen when people call you on said statements....sorry, but it's not my first rodeo with a hyper partisan that thinks acting absurdly makes for good debate. I made no such claim whether there wasn't "Enough armed cops" or suggested it was too big to secure. I simply suggested that acting like two armed LEO's being in the screening area of a Cat-X sized airports somehow means that this absolutely should've been stopped or that they must've been on "coffee break" when it occurred.

    As with all things with regards to Airport Security it's an instance of finding the best ratio between the best security possible and the least amount of hassle to the traveling public. Whether or not this causes TSA to try and push for more of their LE Office's presence in the airports is something I don't know and quite frankly really couldn't comment on even if I did know. Taking a guess, I wouldn't be shocked if it's discussed since it was something discussed back during the early days of TSA starting up and when their current law enforcement arm was brought back under their purview some years ago.

    I don't particularly think this singular instance necessitates such action, but that's a call way above my pay grade.
    I liked SMTAs answer much better.
    My "MO" is to ask questions that maybe no one else is asking, as a means to open up new avenues of thinking. I didn't know this was supposed to be a "rodeo".
    I believe that most of the "security" at airports are an illusion put in place to placate the people an ease their fears.

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I liked SMTAs answer much better.
    I believe that most of the "security" at airports are an illusion put in place to placate the people an ease their fears.
    That, and to make us think that the government is keeping us safe from terrorism.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That, and to make us think that the government is keeping us safe from terrorism.
    I once went through LAX security with a pocket knife.
    Before I went through the metal detector I put my car keys, some change and the knife, that I forgot I had, in the little tray the TSA guy handed me.
    He was talking to another TSA officer and joking about the weather or something. On the other side of the detector frame he handed me back the tray having never looked into it. I pocketed my knife and got on my flight to Denver.
    Wow did I feel secure.
    That is an absolutely true story.
    I should add that this was the same weekend that some nut shot up the El Al ticket booth at the same airport.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 11-01-13 at 09:56 PM.

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