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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Is that you there Dr. Strangelove?
    They did mention deterrent of course and that's what it's all about. There's little doubt that China would get a few big ones through and that guarantees their safety from US aggression.

    Which is the wonderful thing about nuclear weapons in the hands of big or even small nations. Even North Korea's nuclear weapons should be thought of as keeping the world safe from nuclear war.

    The only wild card is the Israelis who are aggressors on a small scale so far and who would pre-emptively attack other small nations to guarantee they can continue their expansion into other people's lands. Illustrating the obvious need for at least one M.E. Muslim nation to have the nuclear deterrent.

    We should all sleep better tonight, knowing China is prepared to defend itself.
    There is a very, very good chance we could launch a first strike on China without a single Chinese response getting through to the United States. Again the risk from China is conventional, not nuclear and revolve around their periphery and our allies.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    There is a very, very good chance we could launch a first strike on China without a single Chinese response getting through to the United States. Again the risk from China is conventional, not nuclear and revolve around their periphery and our allies.
    That's just silly false bravado that's likely due to brainwashing and too much flagwaving patriotism. The US missile defence doesn't even work 9/10's of the time it's tested and even if it worked 9/10's of the time the Chinese would still get a few dozens through. Cowardice never takes chances at being hit back and so even if there was a 90% of stopping them all the deterrent effect would still be there to save us from US led nuclear war.

    What a strange conversation! Arguing with an American about how nuclear war is being avoided in the world since 1945, and the American arguing that his country could do it without suffereing revenge.

    Is that Dr. Strangelove or is it evil incarnate?

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So Florida is cool.
    Nah.....the East Coast is a given.

    Course China wants to do some smack talkin and try to get the Cameras off of them since they had a terrorist attack in their Beloved Capitol.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    That's just silly false bravado that's likely due to brainwashing and too much flagwaving patriotism. The US missile defence doesn't even work 9/10's of the time it's tested and even if it worked 9/10's of the time the Chinese would still get a few dozens through. Cowardice never takes chances at being hit back and so even if there was a 90% of stopping them all the deterrent effect would still be there to save us from US led nuclear war.

    What a strange conversation! Arguing with an American about how nuclear war is being avoided in the world since 1945, and the American arguing that his country could do it without suffereing revenge.

    Is that Dr. Strangelove or is it evil incarnate?
    It has nothing to do with missile defense, it has to do with the paucity of the Chinese nuclear arsenal and the extensive knowledge we have of their locations. The weakness of their SSBN arm is directly related to this and why people pay attention to these sorts of articles at all. You are simply not as informed about this subject.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    What is it that the USofA does that makes the citizens of the USofA fear that the rest of the world is out to get us????

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What is it that the USofA does that makes the citizens of the USofA fear that the rest of the world is out to get us????
    The reality of global power politics, the nature of differing forms of government, and the importance of ideology on statecraft are all you need to inform yourself of the threat posed by other powers.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It has nothing to do with missile defense, it has to do with the paucity of the Chinese nuclear arsenal and the extensive knowledge we have of their locations. The weakness of their SSBN arm is directly related to this and why people pay attention to these sorts of articles at all. You are simply not as informed about this subject.
    And you are pretending to be informed. Suffice to say that the US would get some of them with a first strike but anybody in their right mind would acknowledge that wouldn't be accomplished fast enough to get them all. Then you would be relying on missile defence and nothing else.

    There's little doubt that the US could land a lot more on China's soil than the other way around but that's not the issue. The issue is that there's little doubt that China would do millions of Americans.

    Not something that I find a good topic for discussion but when somebody starts throwing around their false bravado and rhetoric while posing as an expert, it just needs to be questioned.

    A little strange don't you think when the US claims to be afraid of N.Korea or Iran getting one through and onto N.Y. don't you think?

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The reality of global power politics, the nature of differing forms of government, and the importance of ideology on statecraft are all you need to inform yourself of the threat posed by other powers.
    In the last 200 years, how many countries have actually attacked the USofA?


    In that same time period, how many countries has the USofA attacked?

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    In the last 200 years, how many countries have actually attacked the USofA?


    In that same time period, how many countries has the USofA attacked?
    You do not have to be physically attacked for your interests, and the greater interests of civilization to be threatened. This is a childish perspective on the world. Were France and Britain not imperiled by the German agglomeration of power in Europe before the war? Were democratic rule and liberalism not threatened by a Soviet Union and her allies that stood on the periphery of Europe, Asia, and much of the world? A narrow definition of our interests that is limited to actually being attacked is tantamount to isolationism in our interconnected world and should be instantly dismissed.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    And you are pretending to be informed. Suffice to say that the US would get some of them with a first strike but anybody in their right mind would acknowledge that wouldn't be accomplished fast enough to get them all. Then you would be relying on missile defence and nothing else.

    There's little doubt that the US could land a lot more on China's soil than the other way around but that's not the issue. The issue is that there's little doubt that China would do millions of Americans.

    Not something that I find a good topic for discussion but when somebody starts throwing around their false bravado and rhetoric while posing as an expert, it just needs to be questioned.

    A little strange don't you think when the US claims to be afraid of N.Korea or Iran getting one through and onto N.Y. don't you think?
    That isn't true in the slightest. We have overwhelming nuclear superiority, the possibility of China being able to ride out a US first strike with the capacity to respond in kind is seriously in question. Missile defense or lack thereof is not a factor in analyzing that scenario. http://www.nukestrat.com/china/Book-173-196.pdf

    We fear Iranian and North Korean nuclear weapons because of the enormous danger of a first strike from a rogue actor and the possibility of nuclear technology being transferred to other countries.

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