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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The Germans got behind Hitler pretty lockstep, too.
    Some, sure. It's hard to disagree with a group that has all the weaponry.
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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Any use of anti-satellite weapons to attack US communications areas would result in a nuclear strike. This is not a plausible threat.

    Edit: Like all projected Chinese wunderweapons I'll believe it when I see it.

    Yeah well, that's what it looks like they are trying to do.....which we are on top of. Yet I don't see us pushing anything out into their mix. Plus you know how they like to talk.

    China’s Military Preparing for ‘People’s War’ in Cyberspace, Space.....



    China’s military is preparing for war in cyberspace involving space attacks on satellites and the use of both military and civilian personnel for a digital “people’s war,” according to an internal Chinese defense report.

    “As cyber technology continues to develop, cyber warfare has quietly begun,” the report concludes, noting that the ability to wage cyber war in space is vital for China’s military modernization.

    According to the report, strategic warfare in the past was built on nuclear weapons. “But strategic warfare in the information age is cyber warfare,” the report said.

    The new details of Chinese plans for cyber and space warfare were revealed in a report “Study on Space Cyber Warfare” by four engineers working at a Chinese defense research center in Shanghai.

    The report presents a rare inside look of one of Beijing’s most secret military programs: Cyber warfare plans against the United States in a future conflict.

    “Cyber warfare is not limited to military personnel. All personnel with special knowledge and skills on information system may participate in the execution of cyber warfare. Cyber warfare may truly be called a people’s warfare,” the report says.....snip~

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Some, sure. It's hard to disagree with a group that has all the weaponry.
    Case in point. Do Chinese citizens have any say whatsoever? Or any power? No second amendment over there.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah well, that's what it looks like they are trying to do.....which we are on top of. Yet I don't see us pushing anything out into their mix. Plus you know how they like to talk.

    China’s Military Preparing for ‘People’s War’ in Cyberspace, Space.....



    China’s military is preparing for war in cyberspace involving space attacks on satellites and the use of both military and civilian personnel for a digital “people’s war,” according to an internal Chinese defense report.

    “As cyber technology continues to develop, cyber warfare has quietly begun,” the report concludes, noting that the ability to wage cyber war in space is vital for China’s military modernization.

    According to the report, strategic warfare in the past was built on nuclear weapons. “But strategic warfare in the information age is cyber warfare,” the report said.

    The new details of Chinese plans for cyber and space warfare were revealed in a report “Study on Space Cyber Warfare” by four engineers working at a Chinese defense research center in Shanghai.

    The report presents a rare inside look of one of Beijing’s most secret military programs: Cyber warfare plans against the United States in a future conflict.

    “Cyber warfare is not limited to military personnel. All personnel with special knowledge and skills on information system may participate in the execution of cyber warfare. Cyber warfare may truly be called a people’s warfare,” the report says.....snip~

    China Military Preparing for
    We have the most sophisticated and massive cyber-warfare program on the planet. The only difference is that we have more to lose than China because we are much, much, much more advanced than China. We don't pilfer as much from China because there isn't that much to pilfer. We already know how to make nuclear submarines, turbofans, and satellites.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Case in point. Do Chinese citizens have any say whatsoever? Or any power? No second amendment over there.
    Indeed.
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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Part two.....

    “Cyber warfare is not limited to military personnel. All personnel with special knowledge and skills on information system may participate in the execution of cyber warfare. Cyber warfare may truly be called a people’s warfare,” the report says.

    The study links China’s space warfare development programs with its extensive cyber warfare capabilities. Both programs are considered “trump card” weapons that would allow a weaker China to defeat a militarily stronger United States in a conflict.

    “Cyber warfare is an act of war that utilizes space technology; it combines space technology and cyber technology and maintains and seizes the control of cyberspace,” the study says. Because cyberspace relies on satellites, “space will surely be the main battlefield of cyber warfare,” the report said.

    Satellites and space vehicles are considered the “outer nodes” of cyber space and “are clear targets for attack and may be approached directly,” the report said, adding that ground-based cyberspace nodes are more concealed and thus more difficult to attack. Additionally, satellites have limited defenses and anti-jamming capabilities, leaving them very vulnerable to attack.

    The report reveals that China’s military, which controls the country’s rapidly growing space program, is preparing to conduct space-based cyber warfare—“cyber reconnaissance, jamming, and attack”—from space vehicles.

    Space-based cyber warfare will include three categories: space cyber attack, space cyber defense, and space cyber support. The space cyber support involves reconnaissance, targeting, and intelligence gathering.

    “A space cyber-attack is carried out using space technology and methods of hard kill and soft kill,” the report said. “It ensures its own control at will while at the same time uses cyberspace to disable, weaken, disrupt, and destroy the enemy’s cyber actions or cyber installations.”

    Soft-kill methods are designed to disrupt or damage cyberspace links using jamming, network cyber attacks, and “deceit” in the electromagnetic domain.

    The cyber attacks include launching computer viruses, theft and tampering of data, denial of service attacks, and “detonation of [a] network bomb that can instantaneously paralyze or destroy enemy’s information network.”.....snip~

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Which wasn't my point at all. Of course, I know this.

    It's the nonchalent way they report this as "this is what we have to do to kill most Americans possible" that is disconcerting. The Germans got behind Hitler pretty lockstep, too.
    Talking about what one must do to kill as much of the enemy's citizens as possible is also not new, and I fail to see what Hitler has to do about this. China is not Nazi Germany.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We have the most sophisticated and massive cyber-warfare program on the planet. The only difference is that we have more to lose than China because we are much, much, much more advanced than China. We don't pilfer as much from China because there isn't that much to pilfer. We already know how to make nuclear submarines, turbofans, and satellites.
    Well who is saying we can't handle them? This just shows what they are talking about and gives others an idea as to what the Chinese are thinking of. Which is a bit more than just setting off some nukes now.....isn't it?

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    So Florida is cool.

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    Re: Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Lol. Lol. Lol. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the incessant China mil-tech fear that keeps getting cultivated.

    First of all not a lick of this is new. None of it. We've known exactly how many SSBN's and how many ****ty SLBM's they've had for years. Why? Because they are really, really bad at making them and they only have three and they have a lot of problems. We're pretty sure they've had several on-board explosions, they can barely make their SLBM's work properly (the JL-2 is really bad), and they keep most of them in port for maintenance and testing. This is a country that is still in the adolescent stages of an advanced military industry and mastering this technology has been painfully difficult.

    Secondly if it came to it we would crush them. The one or two they sent out are monitored almost immediately by US and allied naval pickets and would be sunk in the first few minutes of the war. We know where all of their land based launch sites and silos are located. In a first strike we could obliterate their nuclear deterrent. If we wanted to sink their submarines and dare them to launch a suicide strike on America (they wouldn't) we could do that too.

    Call us back in twenty years. The real concern about China has to do with their development of military capabilities to challenge control of their littoral zones and deny sea control to the US and our allies in their periphery.
    Is that you there Dr. Strangelove?
    They did mention deterrent of course and that's what it's all about. There's little doubt that China would get a few big ones through and that guarantees their safety from US aggression.

    Which is the wonderful thing about nuclear weapons in the hands of big or even small nations. Even North Korea's nuclear weapons should be thought of as keeping the world safe from nuclear war.

    The only wild card is the Israelis who are aggressors on a small scale so far and who would pre-emptively attack other small nations to guarantee they can continue their expansion into other people's lands. Illustrating the obvious need for at least one M.E. Muslim nation to have the nuclear deterrent.

    We should all sleep better tonight, knowing China is prepared to defend itself.

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