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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I transcribed agent dictation for a disability insurance company. Being that they were run for profit!! they had an entire division set up to root out fraud and discontinue false disability claims. Their agents videotaped beneficiaries of disability payments using their crutches to go to court and to the doctor -- and then videotaped them loading trucks to help family move. Or playing golf. Or skiing. They had hundreds of agents whose only job was to discover fraudulent claims.

    When they'd built up their case, they told the claimant they would sue for recovery of all monies paid if they didn't sign off. Guess what? They did.

    When there's no bottom to the well? Nobody gives a damn. Fraud is rampant.
    Yea and government should have a similar system.. I know they have it in Europe.

    But that still does not change that much of the fraud in the private sector is "legal fraud" by exploiting people purses by overcharging. Hello 2 dollar aspirin and massive bonuses for the management!!
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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Thereby perpetuating the original problem - merely throwing money at problems.

    The real problem with government is that it is the only institution among mankind that propagates itself by "solving" problems it was responsible for creating in the first place, which "solutions" themselves only generate more problems requiring further "solutions."
    Yes, exactly. One of the surest way to keep a department or agency funded to the max is failure of that department or agency to solve the problems and take care of the problems they were originally designed to. To succeed means perhaps that problem or agency is no longer needed. To avoid that, success is what you don't want to happen.

    There are things the fed is good at and is their responsibility, but other than that, they should well leave alone.
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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    the bad thing about government and it has been this way for eons or as long as I can remember. If there is a problem, the government just throws money at it. If that doesn't cure the problem, the government throws more money at it.
    Exactly. Which is one of the reasons why less government is better.

    There is greater accountability and we know that apart from the wages, related benefits, etc. we also have to add in at least 10% waste. And as the size of the government increases so does the chance of waste and fraud. Realistically, that must also be factored in.

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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes, exactly. One of the surest way to keep a department or agency funded to the max is failure of that department or agency to solve the problems and take care of the problems they were originally designed to. To succeed means perhaps that problem or agency is no longer needed. To avoid that, success is what you don't want to happen.

    There are things the fed is good at and is their responsibility, but other than that, they should well leave alone.
    The Feds have gradually usurped the rights of the States, such as in this case of Health Insurance, which would appear to give too much power to Washington.

    The best government is local government where people can have greater involvement in their own fate. Barrack Obama and his bureaucrats are just not smart enough to tell other people how to live their lives.

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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    23 million dollars worth of payouts to deceased individuals out of a total of 554 billion dollars in the year mentioned, all within a program designed in part to care for the sick and elderly. In other words, less than one half of one percent. Not sure this is quite as significant or damming as some here imply.

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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly. Which is one of the reasons why less government is better.

    There is greater accountability and we know that apart from the wages, related benefits, etc. we also have to add in at least 10% waste. And as the size of the government increases so does the chance of waste and fraud. Realistically, that must also be factored in.
    I know.
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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Feds have gradually usurped the rights of the States, such as in this case of Health Insurance, which would appear to give too much power to Washington.

    The best government is local government where people can have greater involvement in their own fate. Barrack Obama and his bureaucrats are just not smart enough to tell other people how to live their lives.

    Income redistribution schemes are much easier at the federal level since the Feds can print and borrow endlessly while state and local govt's must actually tax in order to spend.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I transcribed agent dictation for a disability insurance company. Being that they were run for profit!! they had an entire division set up to root out fraud and discontinue false disability claims.
    No, they have entire divisions dedicated to minimising payouts, regardless of whether they're legitimate or not. As I said, private companies make mistakes too, their mistakes are just more likely to involve not paying out when they should rather than the other way around. Promoting the idea that the government is automatically a corrupt mess while private companies are paragons of virtue is, quite frankly, idiotic (as it would be if anyone did the opposite, not that they do).

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    When there's no bottom to the well? Nobody gives a damn. Fraud is rampant.
    Of course there is a "bottom to the well" - that's part of the point of the article. State systems aren't as good at addressing fraud, mainly because spending money to prevent something happening is a difficult political sell. If Medicare had the scale and scope of anti-fraud departments you describe, they'd be attacked for "wasting" money, even if they were successful. Different worlds, different problems.

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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    You're right. It's crooked licensed businesses, the only people who can write a pain med scrip and often refuse to while they are billing for someone who isn't there. Why do I mention the scrip? Because these are (mostly) people TRUSTED to manage narcotics yet we find they can't be trusted to charge for things they actually do. Seems a bit ****ed up to me.

    I just didn't support the implication that crooked dead people were getting this money as a part of the "great parasite nation" of "low information voters" that get blamed for every goddamn thing. I used your post to enter the discussion because you are pretty rational and I'm here to participate, not to sling insults and I could expect a reasonable, useful response from you.

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    Re: Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    If the government waste and incompetence is this bad with Medicare, what do you think it's going to be like when Obamacare fully kicks in?
    You and people like you need to develop a less childish sense of mathematical proportion.

    In 2010 Medicare expenditures were $524 billion. Taking that number as a baseline:

    $23 million (payments to dead people in one year)/$524 billion = 0.004% of all Medicare payments went to dead people.

    $10 million (yearly average drug payments to illegal immigrants)/$524 billion = 0.002% of all Medicare payments went to illegal immigrants for drugs.

    So, you and that Washington times hotshot have identified Medicare payment error totaling of 0.006% of all Medicare payments. You like private enterprise? Well, multiply by 100 and you get 0.6%, a level of error any private enterprise will kill for. Hell, I doubt there has ever been a private enterprise which came in at much under 6% error.

    Get back with us when you have a truly legitimate complaint, OK?

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