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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why? Point of the thread is that it didn't work at first, therefore it's an abject failure. NASA went through a few hiccups at first, but we didn't just declare the whole thing a failure and give up.
    1. The Space program wasn't something that required people to actively sign up, and pay for a private product under mandate of federal law.

    2. The Space program wasn't a progressive wealth redistribution program.

    3. The Space program a ruse to greater government control over individual decisions.

    That's just a few.

    I do however understand the point you are trying to make, and I am on record as saying that the failure of a web site isn't the Achilles heel of O-care, but it is endemic of why government will ultimately fail at this.
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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. The Space program wasn't something that required people to actively sign up, and pay for a private product under mandate of federal law.

    2. The Space program wasn't a progressive wealth redistribution program.

    3. The Space program a ruse to greater government control over individual decisions.

    That's just a few.

    I do however understand the point you are trying to make, and I am on record as saying that the failure of a web site isn't the Achilles heel of O-care, but it is endemic of why government will ultimately fail at this.
    No they're not the same thing. But I think it's instructive to say you don't give up and declare it a failure based on one day. Now I agree that ultimately I think Obamacare will fail in its goals, but let's at least see some meaningful results before we do. I think it'll end up like Medicare - clearly it's not really working, but you'll never get a politician to go against it.


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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    No they're not the same thing. But I think it's instructive to say you don't give up and declare it a failure based on one day. Now I agree that ultimately I think Obamacare will fail in its goals, but let's at least see some meaningful results before we do. I think it'll end up like Medicare - clearly it's not really working, but you'll never get a politician to go against it.
    And that is the whole sneaky little plot isn't it now....repubs want to kill it, and start over, and demo's want to keep it like all other progressive failures so that it becomes another entrenched entitlement.
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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    1.Sooner or later it all comes out in the wash.
    2.You get what you pay for.
    3.You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time.
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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And that is the whole sneaky little plot isn't it now....repubs want to kill it, and start over, and demo's want to keep it like all other progressive failures so that it becomes another entrenched entitlement.
    Well, Conservatives are always against anything new, that's their nature is to preserve the existing order. They didn't like Medicare in the '60s, now all you hear is how they want to preserve it. Two big opponents of Medicare went on to be President...and we still have it.

    Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing,


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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, Conservatives are always against anything new, that's their nature is to preserve the existing order. They didn't like Medicare in the '60s, now all you hear is how they want to preserve it. Two big opponents of Medicare went on to be President...and we still have it.

    Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing,
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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, Conservatives are always against anything new, that's their nature is to preserve the existing order. They didn't like Medicare in the '60s, now all you hear is how they want to preserve it. Two big opponents of Medicare went on to be President...and we still have it.

    Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing,
    And they were right on then too....Look at it, Medicare is multiples of trillions in unfunded liabilities...But, can't touch the stuff, and this is the paradox liberals set up to destroy the system.
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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    When partisan hacks, who have been so wrong on so many issues up until now (shall we revisit the declarations blacks will not vote for Obama dues to SSM and Catholics for the birth control issue????) insist that after one day a program is a 'fail' I like to remember back in the day.

    For the younger folks a viewing of the movie "The Right Stuff" would be far more informative than partisan pronouncements. I read the book but the movie quicker. To use NP's yardstick of first day achievements we should have never put a man in space as many of the first attempts to build a rocket capable of true space exploration were dismal failures. many rockets couldn't even clear the launch tower. The policies for the Apollo program killed three astronauts as the pure oxygen capsule with poor escape procedures, and flaws in the early capsule design doomed the crew of Apollo 1.

    To be of the Wrong Stuff and quickly drop a program because it wasn't a huge success is what wimps and frenchies do.

    CONs are a queer sort of folk. So rigid to see some things through to the bitter end but so quick to abandon others before the new has been knocked off of it.

    Good thing this current batch of CONs were not incharge of NASA as we strove to find the Right Stuff.....
    Interesting, while off-topic...of which party was the President who started NASA?

    Further, how have the Democrats responded 'lately'...? here this will help:
    Immediately following Bush’s January, 2004, announcement of NASA’s new mandate to return to the Moon and prepare for an expedition to Mars, it became fashionable for Democrats to trash the project. Most of the major contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination tossed out sarcastic or dismissive comments. Senator Lieberman went so far as to claim, without evidence, that the program would cost a trillion dollars. When the Spirit Mars rover experienced a near-fatal glitch shortly after Bush’s announcement, some Democrats made comments that sounded suspiciously as if they actually wanted the robot to fail.
    The Space Review: Why Democrats should support space exploration
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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I never said right wing CON hacks couldn't or shouldn't post.... just callin' it as I see it!
    Rather than just 'callin' it as you see it' why not give the subject some thought before you post, rather than saying nothing and then calling me a 'hack'?

    The rest of your post is of grade school level.

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    re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Actually that's the Libertarian Utopia. Nobody gets anything except at gunpoint!
    Of course, that's the way America looked from its inception till the advent of welfare.
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