Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89:106]

rocket88 said:

Why? Point of the thread is that it didn't work at first, therefore it's an abject failure. NASA went through a few hiccups at first, but we didn't just declare the whole thing a failure and give up.

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j-mac said:

1. The Space program wasn't something that required people to actively sign up, and pay for a private product under mandate of federal law.

2. The Space program wasn't a progressive wealth redistribution program.

3. The Space program a ruse to greater government control over individual decisions.

That's just a few.

I do however understand the point you are trying to make, and I am on record as saying that the failure of a web site isn't the Achilles heel of O-care, but it is endemic of why government will ultimately fail at this.

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rocket88 said:

No they're not the same thing. But I think it's instructive to say you don't give up and declare it a failure based on one day. Now I agree that ultimately I think Obamacare will fail in its goals, but let's at least see some meaningful results before we do. I think it'll end up like Medicare - clearly it's not really working, but you'll never get a politician to go against it.

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j-mac said:

And that is the whole sneaky little plot isn't it now....repubs want to kill it, and start over, and demo's want to keep it like all other progressive failures so that it becomes another entrenched entitlement.

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rocket88 said:

Well, Conservatives are always against anything new, that's their nature is to preserve the existing order. They didn't like Medicare in the '60s, now all you hear is how they want to preserve it. Two big opponents of Medicare went on to be President...and we still have it.

Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing,

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rocket88 said:

Well, Conservatives are always against anything new, that's their nature is to preserve the existing order. They didn't like Medicare in the '60s, now all you hear is how they want to preserve it. Two big opponents of Medicare went on to be President...and we still have it.

Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing,

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notquiteright said:

When partisan hacks, who have been so wrong on so many issues up until now (shall we revisit the declarations blacks will not vote for Obama dues to SSM and Catholics for the birth control issue????) insist that after one day a program is a 'fail' I like to remember back in the day.

For the younger folks a viewing of the movie "The Right Stuff" would be far more informative than partisan pronouncements. I read the book but the movie quicker. To use NP's yardstick of first day achievements we should have never put a man in space as many of the first attempts to build a rocket capable of true space exploration were dismal failures. many rockets couldn't even clear the launch tower. The policies for the Apollo program killed three astronauts as the pure oxygen capsule with poor escape procedures, and flaws in the early capsule design doomed the crew of Apollo 1.

To be of the Wrong Stuff and quickly drop a program because it wasn't a huge success is what wimps and frenchies do.

CONs are a queer sort of folk. So rigid to see some things through to the bitter end but so quick to abandon others before the new has been knocked off of it.

Good thing this current batch of CONs were not incharge of NASA as we strove to find the Right Stuff..... :doh

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Immediately following Bush’s January, 2004, announcement of NASA’s new mandate to return to the Moon and prepare for an expedition to Mars, it became fashionable for Democrats to trash the project. Most of the major contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination tossed out sarcastic or dismissive comments. Senator Lieberman went so far as to claim, without evidence, that the program would cost a trillion dollars. When the Spirit Mars rover experienced a near-fatal glitch shortly after Bush’s announcement, some Democrats made comments that sounded suspiciously as if they actually wanted the robot to fail.

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notquiteright said:

I never said right wing CON hacks couldn't or shouldn't post.... just callin' it as I see it!

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rocket88 said:

Actually that's the Libertarian Utopia. Nobody gets anything except at gunpoint!

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rocket88 said:

Why? Point of the thread is that it didn't work at first, therefore it's an abject failure. NASA went through a few hiccups at first, but we didn't just declare the whole thing a failure and give up.

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j-mac said:

And that is the whole sneaky little plot isn't it now....repubs want to kill it, and start over, and demo's want to keep it like all other progressive failures so that it becomes another entrenched entitlement.

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Navy Pride said:

Another failed program.



Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1

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Grant said:

That's when you had people with the Right Stuff. Now there's Barrack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It's just pathetic.

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Michael66 said:

Why is it that racism and hate for Obama always trumps the obvious need this ACA is soon going to fulfill for so many people who have done without or even bankrupted for want of affordable insurance.

Do the haters and racists have no human decency at all?

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“This isn’t about pointing fingers. This is about providing some relief to the folks we represent who are facing serious uncertainty because they’re being forced to buy something that’s not ready,” Barrow said. “I urge my colleagues and the administration to delay the individual mandate. It’s not only the right thing to do, it’s the only practical thing to do.”
Some Democratic lawmakers are still praising the president’s signature healthcare plan, but they’ve turned their frustration toward the botched rollout and are venting about how it could hurt their constituents’ ability to access healthcare.
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., asked President Obama to extend the open enrollment period beyond the current date of March 31, 2014, until the website glitches are fixed, arguing that the problems have dampened people’s ability to sign up for the exchanges.
“As website glitches persist, we are losing valuable time to educate and enroll people in insurance plans. I also fear that people that have tried, and failed, to enroll online may become frustrated and not return to the website to try again at a later date,” Shaheen wrote in a letter to the president Tuesday. “Allowing extra time for consumers is critically important so they have the opportunity to become familiar with the website, survey their options and enroll.”
Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., who like Shaheen is up for re-election in 2014, announced his support for the New Hampshire senator’s call to extend open enrollment in the exchanges and asked the administration to clarify how it would enforce the individual mandate.
“I read Senator Shaheen’s letter today and support the common sense idea to extend the date for open enrollment. I believe, given the technical issues, it makes sense to extend the time for people to sign up,” Pryor said in a statement Wednesday. “In addition, the Administration should state clearly how the enforcement mechanism will work if people can’t sign up in time. We all want to see the law work, and I hope the Administration will take a hard look at this reasonable suggestion.”
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., is working on a bill that would delay the $95 individual mandate penalty, a spokesman for Manchin said Wednesday.

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats - ABC News

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rocket88 said:

Well, Conservatives are always against anything new, that's their nature is to preserve the existing order. They didn't like Medicare in the '60s, now all you hear is how they want to preserve it. Two big opponents of Medicare went on to be President...and we still have it.

Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing,

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Michael66 said:

Most likely just another lie by the racists and haters on the political right. But even so, if it was the truth and the racists are trying to celebrate it, what does that tell everybody about their agenda of hate?

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Michael66 said:

Why is it that racism and hate for Obama always trumps the obvious need this ACA is soon going to fulfill for so many people who have done without or even bankrupted for want of affordable insurance. Do the haters and racists have no human decency at all?

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j-mac said:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

More people dislike O-care, than support it.

How about these people, are they just 'teabagger, racists' also?

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Thom Paine said:

Absolutely pathetic !! I wonder what reference source states that disagreement is equivalent to hatred and racism.

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Thom Paine

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rocket88 said:

It was a different time then, no doubt. You won't get an argument from me about our current leadership (on both sides of the aisle) failing us at every possible turn.

My point was that declaring the whole thing a failure based on one day is silly. Let's at least see if it does fail before saying that.

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Michael66 said:

Just the plain truth with no frills. I think it's more effective than fancy rhetoric which you appear to be accusing me of not being capable of. I understand how it makes some people very uncomfortable when the truth isn't disguised!

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