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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You seem to have made my point without any work required from me. The TPers are Jeffersonians, not Federalists. Thank you.
    Nice CON dodge but the TPs quote the Federalist Papers like some do the Bible, select passages from 'The Papers' and none from actual governance. Course you'd have to stick with Jefferson's theory instead of what he actually did in office as he too strayed from ideological purity...

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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Nice CON dodge but the TPs quote the Federalist Papers like some do the Bible, select passages from 'The Papers' and none from actual governance. Course you'd have to stick with Jefferson's theory instead of what he actually did in office as he too strayed from ideological purity...
    Add your misidentification of my personal politics to your list of errors. I personally don't recall any TP statement based on the Federalist Papers, but I don't pay that much attention to such things. Nonetheless, fact is that the Federalists had a strong-government, almost imperial vision.
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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Add your misidentification of my personal politics to your list of errors. I personally don't recall any TP statement based on the Federalist Papers, but I don't pay that much attention to such things. Nonetheless, fact is that the Federalists had a strong-government, almost imperial vision.
    You quack and you get plucked like a duck... pretty simple. Oh there was a CON in here who asked me those questions, after questioning my service. what you can or can't personally recall isn't the issue as convenience oft times enters that equation. The TPs are quite fond of citing the Federalist Papers and the concept of limited government as entwined concepts.

    that you have never seen that doesn't enter this... nice try at peeling the onion BTW...

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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You quack and you get plucked like a duck... pretty simple. Oh there was a CON in here who asked me those questions, after questioning my service. what you can or can't personally recall isn't the issue as convenience oft times enters that equation. The TPs are quite fond of citing the Federalist Papers and the concept of limited government as entwined concepts.

    that you have never seen that doesn't enter this... nice try at peeling the onion BTW...
    Sorry, but I can't make any sense of that post.
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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but I can't make any sense of that post.
    No need to be sorry, I understand admitting to something is confusing to some... quack on McDuck, quack on!

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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No need to be sorry, I understand admitting to something is confusing to some... quack on McDuck, quack on!
    It is unclear what I'm supposed to admit to, but I take solace in the fact that you apparently don't know either.
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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is unclear what I'm supposed to admit to, but I take solace in the fact that you apparently don't know either.
    take solace where ever you can, I'm sure you do a lot, bet you are pretty good at it. I was saying the TPs have used the Founding Fathers/federalist papers/ limited government mish mash for years with little if any understanding on the totality of the Federalist true history, and how briefly their candle did shine.

    Quack on....

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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    take solace where ever you can, I'm sure you do a lot, bet you are pretty good at it. I was saying the TPs have used the Founding Fathers/federalist papers/ limited government mish mash for years with little if any understanding on the totality of the Federalist true history, and how briefly their candle did shine.

    Quack on....
    And I agree with all that, except I don't think their candle is quite done.
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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    take solace where ever you can, I'm sure you do a lot, bet you are pretty good at it.
    This is why "progressives" in general suck at simple conversation, and debate. When they find themselves in over their heads (an often seen predicament), they resort to name calling, cheap shots, and general disrespectful attack.

    I was saying the TPs have used the Founding Fathers/federalist papers/ limited government mish mash for years with little if any understanding on the totality of the Federalist true history, and how briefly their candle did shine.
    I think it is proper to look to intent before just spouting nonsense like progressives do so often. Words have meaning, and to not know the intent is how we get out of context arguments like the use of "General Welfare" being misused to base law on, when in the reality of fact, and context, those words in the constitution were only pointing to Article 1 Section 8 as a means of limiting the power of the Federal Government, in the founders way of hopefully keeping us from becoming a totalitarian authoritarian form of government...When Ben Franklin was asked what kind of government we had, and his answer was "a representative republic, as long as you can keep it", he didn't say, a republic as long as you do what we tell you to do.
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    Re: Report: Obamacare got six enrollees on Day 1 [W:89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is why "progressives" in general suck at simple conversation, and debate. When they find themselves in over their heads (an often seen predicament), they resort to name calling, cheap shots, and general disrespectful attack. I think it is proper to look to intent before just spouting nonsense like progressives do so often. Words have meaning, and to not know the intent is how we get out of context arguments like the use of "General Welfare" being misused to base law on, when in the reality of fact, and context, those words in the constitution were only pointing to Article 1 Section 8 as a means of limiting the power of the Federal Government, in the founders way of hopefully keeping us from becoming a totalitarian authoritarian form of government...When Ben Franklin was asked what kind of government we had, and his answer was "a representative republic, as long as you can keep it", he didn't say, a republic as long as you do what we tell you to do.
    The first part- you seem intent on seeing injury where the person I was typing to did not. You are imposing yourself into something that is none of your business- something the TPs claim to hate unless it is themselves doing it- lighten up Francis...

    Words do have meaning as do actions which is why the Libertarians struggle so. What 'works' in the lecture hall and Op-Ed pieces fall to pieces in the real world. But TPs and other radical CONs have a way of over hyping events... It is a marvel of CON 'logic' that President Obama is both a king and tyrant BUT also weak and unable to stand up...

    fact is if the TPs and CONs actually looked into the people they claim to embrace they wouldn't do so. I do understand cherry picking the Constitution and Federalist Papers, then using a very CON interpretation of what the Founders 'really' meant, but as with the Federalist Papers- it is one side of the debate, not the final word.

    Yes words have meaning but for most CONs the meaning is to stir the base anyway they can, tyrant, king and other rot...

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