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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Thats pretty damning on Lois Lerner. In fact, that downright caught red handed. The $500 question is....will this DOJ prosecute?

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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    I just don't know. If there were concerns about the groups from the IRS, then it seems like the FEC would have been an appropriate place from which to seek guidance on campaign laws and that guidance would probably require the sharing of specific information.

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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I just don't know. If there were concerns about the groups from the IRS, then it seems like the FEC would have been an appropriate place from which to seek guidance on campaign laws and that guidance would probably require the sharing of specific information.
    Except they're not allowed to do that under the law. Not without a judicial order. At least thats the way the law reads. The FEC looked more like it was on a fishing expedition in lieu of a formal investigation. IRS, just like most other government agencies receive privacy information training annually. They should have known better than this, especially someone like Lerner who's been around a long time.

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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Except they're not allowed to do that under the law. Not without a judicial order. At least thats the way the law reads. The FEC looked more like it was on a fishing expedition in lieu of a formal investigation. IRS, just like most other government agencies receive privacy information training annually. They should have known better than this, especially someone like Lerner who's been around a long time.
    I don't equate sloppy work habits with a vast conspiracy to oppress the masses. Even if she were approaching this under a very jaded lens, which she probably was, I still have yet to see anything that makes me think there was some organized conspiracy other than there are people even in the rank and file of government who let their politics interfere with what should be apolitical jobs. Bureaucrats are human. It evens out in the end. I am sure that there are as many democrats who have been given the cold-shoulder by the DoD as there have been republicans given the talk to the hand in some other part of the gubbermint.

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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I don't equate sloppy work habits with a vast conspiracy to oppress the masses. Even if she were approaching this under a very jaded lens, which she probably was, I still have yet to see anything that makes me think there was some organized conspiracy other than there are people even in the rank and file of government who let their politics interfere with what should be apolitical jobs. Bureaucrats are human. It evens out in the end. I am sure that there are as many democrats who have been given the cold-shoulder by the DoD as there have been republicans given the talk to the hand in some other part of the gubbermint.
    I don't disagree, not sure if I buy into the whole "conspiracy." I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's staff was involved but Obama himself has proven himself entirely disengaged so doubt he had knowledge of it.

    As far as the issue, Lerner should be prosecuted for this. If we don't hold bureaucrats accountable for allowing their politics or whatever to knowingly violate the law, then it will be rampant. I live in this world, apolitical objectivity should be the goal for anyone who works in government.

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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    I know one thing we can count on here...

    That Obama knew nothing at all about this, and probably just found out about it today when he read the story in the Examiner.


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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats pretty damning on Lois Lerner. In fact, that downright caught red handed. The $500 question is....will this DOJ prosecute?
    It seems the DoJ does the direct opposite when provided such a choice to go after one of their own. I'm surprised Lerner isn't up for some medal for outstanding public service and is put on a speaking tour worth millions by now.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Did you even read your link?
    He probably did and knew it was BS but the headline was to his liking.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It point out that you provided another disingenuous OP, as usual.
    Using alternet as a source greatly weakens any rebuttal you may have hoped to provide.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: IRS' Lois Lerner gave confidential Tea Party tax info to FEC, violating law

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Where's the evidence?
    She emailed back 10 minutes later, and said: “I have sent your email out to some of my staff. Will get back to you as soon as I have heard from them.”

    According to Judicial Watch, the materials “from the IRS’ files sent from Lerner to the FEC containing detailed, confidential information about the organizations. These include annual tax returns (Forms 990) and request for exempt recognition forms (Form 1024), Articles of Organization and other corporate documents, and correspondence between the nonprofit organizations and the IRS. Under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, it is a felony for an IRS official to disclose either ‘return information or ‘taxpayer return information,’ even to another government agency.”
    Reading, it is very difficult.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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