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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's a myth. Do you actually believe the energy companies aren't going to corner the market if a viable product existed? Think about it.
    You are the one that is not thinking. If every home has solar panels and a windmill and makes their own energy, who gets cut out of the loop. This Nation is about Corporatism and they are going to fight as long as they can to prevent that. Divert renewables monies into large windmills and that electricity is distributed by existing energy Corporations. Divert renewables into Solar PV that is distributed by existing energy Corporations. Subsidize "NUKES" and describe it as clean energy because it is distributed by existing energy Corporations. That is what is happening. That is reality. The technology is here and real and works but an entrenched Corporate network works diligently to prevent implementation for their own survival. Screw them. We've been subsidizing the wrong energies since GE was a pup.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You are the one that is not thinking. If every home has solar panels and a windmill and makes their own energy, who gets cut out of the loop. This Nation is about Corporatism and they are going to fight as long as they can to prevent that. Divert renewables monies into large windmills and that electricity is distributed by existing energy Corporations. Divert renewables into Solar PV that is distributed by existing energy Corporations. Subsidize "NUKES" and describe it as clean energy because it is distributed by existing energy Corporations. That is what is happening. That is reality. The technology is here and real and works but an entrenched Corporate network works diligently to prevent implementation for their own survival. Screw them. We've been subsidizing the wrong energies since GE was a pup.
    If solar energy was so great, Chevron would buipd solar farms all over the country and sell the electricity.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

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    If solar energy was so great, Chevron would buipd solar farms all over the country and sell the electricity.
    You're describing the problem, not the solution. The efficiency is far greater on individual homes with minimal storage. PV farms is exactly what I am telling you is wrong. They are just an attempt to protect the Corporate distribution network. Just like a heroin dealer preventing competition in his neighborhood.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    It would be easy and (even desirable) to lay things like this at Obama's feet,
    but not true. The prices on photovoltaic panels has dropped so fast it would not
    have been reasonable to predict.
    The Solar PV Ecosystem, A Brief History and a Look Ahead
    When these projects were planned, they built factories with a planned cost of goods sold.
    Lease
    Labor
    Equipment
    raw materials
    energy
    infrastructure
    sales
    shipping
    ect...
    All of these factors and others were included in a model for a price point of about $800
    for a 200 watt panel.
    Pallet pricing on 250 Watt panels is around $215 each.
    Astronergy CHSM 6610P 255-watt solar panel
    If your factory is designed around making $800 panels, you will lose money on each unit made.
    The question is not if you will go out of business, but when.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You're describing the problem, not the solution. The efficiency is far greater on individual homes with minimal storage. PV farms is exactly what I am telling you is wrong. They are just an attempt to protect the Corporate distribution network. Just like a heroin dealer preventing competition in his neighborhood.
    Even home based units have to be buiot, instaled, maintained and repaired.

    Do you have one?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Even home based units have to be buiot, instaled, maintained and repaired.

    Do you have one?
    No! Seven.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    My house is 100% solar. Boy do I feel like a jerk now.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My house is 100% solar. Boy do I feel like a jerk now.
    Why?.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    I was being sarcastic, and merely illustrating how the left looks at this. The typical responses are Bush did it, conservatives do it, they get richer, and its only 400 million.

    People don't care - that is a sad fact - but a fact never the less. People just flat out don't care. $400 million could have installed solar systems on 16,000 homes across America, thus produced a good 1000 jobs for the year doing it, and helped reduce the cost of electricity for all - but no it was wasted on a big time ofailure donor - and no one cares.


    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Only 400 million? That's like all of the taxes you and 800 people will pay for your entire lives. It's "no big deal" that the government is taking your money and handing it to people much, much richer than you?

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    Re: Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report

    I have one home that is 100% solar and another that is 80%. I got no tax break on the 100% one because I did it myself and didn't have the income to enjoy the tax break. On the 80% one the company enjoyed the tax break and I have fixed power rates - its all good - no need to feel like a jerk just because ofailures buddies got phat and we didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My house is 100% solar. Boy do I feel like a jerk now.

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