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Insurance for the young could be less than $50 a month

Which is why the question "Why do I have to pay to cover conditions I will never have?" is an ignorant question

And so now the circle is complete...prior to ACA these 'designed' pools were based on groups of individuals with similar risks. This is now illegal per ACA as we have a 'one size fits all' mandate. While my argument is that this arrangement is neither practical or economical/efficient and yours being such will evenly spread ALL risk to ALL involved the outcome, success or failure, will not be seen for some time...
 
And so now the circle is complete...prior to ACA these 'designed' pools were based on groups of individuals with similar risks.

Wrong. Pools have always contained people with varying risk.

This is now illegal per ACA as we have a 'one size fits all' mandate. While my argument is that this arrangement is neither practical or economical/efficient and yours being such will evenly spread ALL risk to ALL involved the outcome, success or failure, will not be seen for some time...

No, it's not a one size fits all mandate. It's just that some types of coverage are required. There are many things which are not required.

And the math of insurance (ie actuarial science) shows that insurance works better, and is more practical, when the pools are larger and cover a greater range of risks (in this case, medical conditions)

As far as success or failure, time will tell. Anyone who says they are certain about the results is either lying to you, or lying to themselves
 
just as sequitur as your previous Sean Hannity comment...



If I understood your point, men can't get ovarian CANCER...? Ok, women cannot get testicular CANCER. Both can get lung CANCER...continuing, CANCER is a non-gender specific condition is it not? However pregnancy IS...

I can't tell if your joking, or are really this obtuse.

Change the example to PCOS. Or uterine fibroids. Or benign Prostatic Hypertrophy.
 
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Lets get this website up and running to make it a lot easier to apply for these plans. [/FONT][/COLOR]

do you even know how these subsidies work? they are not getting the subsides subtracted off the cost of the plan they are required to pay the full price for that plan they get a tax rebate at the end of the year. so if you require a subside to afford the plan how are you going to pay full price for said plan for a full year

so it is very misleading and disingenuous to say they are getting a plan for 50 dollars they are not they are getting a tax rebate at the end of the year equal to it being a 50 dollar a month plan but still required to pay the full price till then
 
How many of these folks can afford the $5K deductible and $60 co pays for the "free" annual services?

They never, ever answer that one. I have posted about the $5K deductable PLUS MINIMAL 20% copay many times. Total silence, while they continue to argue the total lie that the ACA provides low cost or free medical care to the poor. The ACA is designed to give an excuse to deny any major medical care to the truly poor.

The ACA is all about letting major corporations and large property owners off-the-hook for healthcare for their employees and for the indigent. The entire debate is a massive off-point lie.
 
do you even know how these subsidies work? they are not getting the subsides subtracted off the cost of the plan they are required to pay the full price for that plan they get a tax rebate at the end of the year. so if you require a subside to afford the plan how are you going to pay full price for said plan for a full year

so it is very misleading and disingenuous to say they are getting a plan for 50 dollars they are not they are getting a tax rebate at the end of the year equal to it being a 50 dollar a month plan but still required to pay the full price till then

Your post is a lie. The subsidies are calculated at the time of purchase (based on your income) and subtracted from the monthly premium you pay. There is no tax rebate

Understanding the ACA Subsidies

Most consumers receiving premium subsidies will receive it in the form of an advanced tax credit, with the subsidy applied directly to the cost of their insurance. - See more at: Understanding the ACA Subsidies
 
I am self employed, have a catastropic plan -it's AARP "supplemental insurance" . High co-pay, and a hospitalization dedutable of about $8k.

I'm heathy for my age *knock on wood*, in that i work out virtually every day, and don't use any drugs, not even alcohol. or cigs.

I am a bit overweight -always have been, but have never been hospitalized. In short the plan allows me ACCESS to hospitalization if I need it without being bankrupted.

I do get a blood test every 6 months to a year, and refills on my thyroid med.

I pay very little each month -remeber I am self employed (sales independent contractor), so I also have to pay ALL of my FICA witholdings.

I'm fine with what I have. I do not need maternity, nor mental health -yet I am pretty sure this is not going to be 'acceptable' under Obamacare.

Why so?? The benefits of the policy match my needs, and I am not going to run up huge bills i cannot pay off.
Leave me alone Mr. Obama.
 
I am self employed, have a catastropic plan -it's AARP "supplemental insurance" . High co-pay, and a hospitalization dedutable of about $8k.

I'm heathy for my age *knock on wood*, in that i work out virtually every day, and don't use any drugs, not even alcohol. or cigs.

I am a bit overweight -always have been, but have never been hospitalized. In short the plan allows me ACCESS to hospitalization if I need it without being bankrupted.

I do get a blood test every 6 months to a year, and refills on my thyroid med.

I pay very little each month -remeber I am self employed (sales independent contractor), so I also have to pay ALL of my FICA witholdings.

I'm fine with what I have. I do not need maternity, nor mental health -yet I am pretty sure this is not going to be 'acceptable' under Obamacare.

Why so?? The benefits of the policy match my needs, and I am not going to run up huge bills i cannot pay off.
Leave me alone Mr. Obama.

Your plan is a Medicare Advantage plan and receives huge subsidies from the govt that are not means-tested. It is contributing to the rising cost of health care
 
Your plan is a Medicare Advantage plan and receives huge subsidies from the govt that are not means-tested. It is contributing to the rising cost of health care

It's not Medicare Advantage, I'm not old enough for Medicare - it's called "supplemental insurance" through AARP, it is not subsidized.
I do take the idea though that Medicare is through the Feds -i'd be more then happy to go with Single Payer, as it streamlines administrative costs/profits.

I'm good with means testing too
 
It's not Medicare Advantage, I'm not old enough for Medicare - it's called "supplemental insurance" through AARP, it is not subsidized.
I do take the idea though that Medicare is through the Feds -i'd be more then happy to go with Single Payer, as it streamlines administrative costs/profits.

I'm good with means testing too

From the AARP supplemental insurance website:

Supplemental Insurance


As the name suggests, supplemental insurance works in combination with other insurance. It's not designed to stand on its own or provide basic, primary health coverage - and it's not for everyone. Supplemental health insurance is often a good option for the self-employed, families with children, those financially unprepared to handle large medical bills or time off from work due to illness or injury, and those on Medicare.

My emphasis.

You're doing insurance wrong, and the ACA wants to help that.
 
From the AARP supplemental insurance website:

Supplemental Insurance


As the name suggests, supplemental insurance works in combination with other insurance. It's not designed to stand on its own or provide basic, primary health coverage - and it's not for everyone. Supplemental health insurance is often a good option for the self-employed, families with children, those financially unprepared to handle large medical bills or time off from work due to illness or injury, and those on Medicare.

My emphasis.

You're doing insurance wrong, and the ACA wants to help that.
read it again.
Supplemental health insurance is often a good option for the self-employed
Now please read my post about my being self employed, and in good health.

I don't mind paying a high co-pay, or a high deductible if needed. I go to the Dr. maybe 2x a year, and if hospitalized can pay off my deductible.

It works for me - and I don't need anything else like mental health, and maternity. I would like better insurance, but i doubt I qualify for subsidys.

So it's a good, if not perfect fit.
 
HHS said it? They certainly haven't lost any credibility over past few weeks.

This article is a classic example of propaganda.

Obamacare is literally melting down before our eyes. There's no way non-subsidized policies will EVER cost 50 bucks.

No matter what anyone shows them, they still love losing their rights.
 
read it again.
Now please read my post about my being self employed, and in good health.

I don't mind paying a high co-pay, or a high deductible if needed. I go to the Dr. maybe 2x a year, and if hospitalized can pay off my deductible.

It works for me - and I don't need anything else like mental health, and maternity. I would like better insurance, but i doubt I qualify for subsidys.

So it's a good, if not perfect fit.

The caveat that "these plans are not meant for primary insurance" does not exclude self employed people. It includes them.


Yep. Works for you. But it doesnt work out for the rest of us. Supplemental policies without the underpinning of actual insurance is exactly what the ACA wants to eliminate. The reason is that a few years ago, if you developed a preexisting condition that was a chronic one, you'd be screwed. You'd have extensive non-covered office visits/prodecures and drugs if you, say, developed a treatable cancer, and you would have gone bankrupt. That assumes you didnt buy those types of supplemental plans.. from what you say, it sounds like its a hospitalization plan primarily - which is nice, but hospitalization isnt always that big of a deal depending upon the condition.

Now, with the ACA, you will develop an uncovered condition and want to change plans to one who does. In other words, with JUST a supplemental plan, you would be a free rider until you get sick. Thats great for you, crappy for everyone else who is paying. So a simple supplemental plan is a bad thing for the system.

The other issue is that you SAY you are healthy, but you never know. There is a 100% chance you will get something fatal in your lifetime. It may be a cluster of neoplastic cells in your pancreas right now, or that slowly dissecting aneurysm in your cerebral arteries, or the friable plaque in your left main coronary artery. Making sure you have preventive coverage is how we as a society save money on health care. Its a hell of a lot cheaper to treat your LDL cholesterol for a decade than treat the heart attack you had from an unstable plaque. Its a lot more cost effective to give you the anticoagulant for your asymptomatic atrial fibrillation and avoid a stroke which will send you to a nursing home for decades.

Sorry you have to pay more money to get decent insurance, but the ACA will help to ensure a guy like you has minimally standard insurance at competiive market prices. Thats good.
 
The caveat that "these plans are not meant for primary insurance" does not exclude self employed people. It includes them.


Yep. Works for you. But it doesnt work out for the rest of us. Supplemental policies without the underpinning of actual insurance is exactly what the ACA wants to eliminate. The reason is that a few years ago, if you developed a preexisting condition that was a chronic one, you'd be screwed. You'd have extensive non-covered office visits/prodecures and drugs if you, say, developed a treatable cancer, and you would have gone bankrupt. That assumes you didnt buy those types of supplemental plans.. from what you say, it sounds like its a hospitalization plan primarily - which is nice, but hospitalization isnt always that big of a deal depending upon the condition.

Now, with the ACA, you will develop an uncovered condition and want to change plans to one who does. In other words, with JUST a supplemental plan, you would be a free rider until you get sick. Thats great for you, crappy for everyone else who is paying. So a simple supplemental plan is a bad thing for the system.

The other issue is that you SAY you are healthy, but you never know. There is a 100% chance you will get something fatal in your lifetime. It may be a cluster of neoplastic cells in your pancreas right now, or that slowly dissecting aneurysm in your cerebral arteries, or the friable plaque in your left main coronary artery. Making sure you have preventive coverage is how we as a society save money on health care. Its a hell of a lot cheaper to treat your LDL cholesterol for a decade than treat the heart attack you had from an unstable plaque. Its a lot more cost effective to give you the anticoagulant for your asymptomatic atrial fibrillation and avoid a stroke which will send you to a nursing home for decades.

Sorry you have to pay more money to get decent insurance, but the ACA will help to ensure a guy like you has minimally standard insurance at competiive market prices. Thats good.
This is one of the best arguments I've heard, for minimal standards, and I do appreciate you taking the time to lay it out.

The problem though is the costs involved, I can pay a high deductible if I do develop some unseen condition - I get blood tests, and have been screened for for a few things ( can't recall), but I cannot afford to pay a whole lot more for my health insurance, that inclues tests for various diseases.
i pay 13 1/2 % to FISA right off the top.

So i'm trying to get through with minimal costs, STAY HEALTHY ( i work at it - my #1 priority), and be able to not get food stamps, or other gov't assistance.

I've never taken a dime from the state or Fed'l gov't in terms of assistance, so if you make my HC costs jump up, I'm not going to be able to take care of myself, in terms of finances.
I am taxed enough already (TEA), though I am not a member of any political party.

I own my home, which means I am not eligible for any type of subsidy A few years from now I'll be on Medicare with the rest of the boomer generation.

I spend my money not on lavish things, since I'm Buddhist, they are just 'attachments' anyways.
I spend money on staying alive, and being healthy. Best leave it that way.
 
It's not Medicare Advantage, I'm not old enough for Medicare - it's called "supplemental insurance" through AARP, it is not subsidized.
I do take the idea though that Medicare is through the Feds -i'd be more then happy to go with Single Payer, as it streamlines administrative costs/profits.

I'm good with means testing too

It may be my mistake, but when I looked at AARP's website, it said that their supplemental plans were Advantage plans.
 
This is one of the best arguments I've heard, for minimal standards, and I do appreciate you taking the time to lay it out.

The problem though is the costs involved, I can pay a high deductible if I do develop some unseen condition - I get blood tests, and have been screened for for a few things ( can't recall), but I cannot afford to pay a whole lot more for my health insurance, that inclues tests for various diseases.
i pay 13 1/2 % to FISA right off the top.

So i'm trying to get through with minimal costs, STAY HEALTHY ( i work at it - my #1 priority), and be able to not get food stamps, or other gov't assistance.

I've never taken a dime from the state or Fed'l gov't in terms of assistance, so if you make my HC costs jump up, I'm not going to be able to take care of myself, in terms of finances.
I am taxed enough already (TEA), though I am not a member of any political party.

I own my home, which means I am not eligible for any type of subsidy A few years from now I'll be on Medicare with the rest of the boomer generation.

I spend my money not on lavish things, since I'm Buddhist, they are just 'attachments' anyways.
I spend money on staying alive, and being healthy. Best leave it that way.

Owning your home, to my knowledge, has no bearing upon subsidy levels.

Subsidies are quite generous - you might qualify.

Subsidy Calculator | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

You also have to realize the cost that you pay in-network for expenses are massively discounted vs. self-pay - labs, appointmetns, etc. Sticker price in health care is BS - no one pays it, and insurance companies often have negotiations at a third of the actual price billed for, and even less.
 
The caveat that "these plans are not meant for primary insurance" does not exclude self employed people. It includes them.


Yep. Works for you. But it doesnt work out for the rest of us. Supplemental policies without the underpinning of actual insurance is exactly what the ACA wants to eliminate. The reason is that a few years ago, if you developed a preexisting condition that was a chronic one, you'd be screwed. You'd have extensive non-covered office visits/prodecures and drugs if you, say, developed a treatable cancer, and you would have gone bankrupt. That assumes you didnt buy those types of supplemental plans.. from what you say, it sounds like its a hospitalization plan primarily - which is nice, but hospitalization isnt always that big of a deal depending upon the condition.

Now, with the ACA, you will develop an uncovered condition and want to change plans to one who does. In other words, with JUST a supplemental plan, you would be a free rider until you get sick. Thats great for you, crappy for everyone else who is paying. So a simple supplemental plan is a bad thing for the system.

The other issue is that you SAY you are healthy, but you never know. There is a 100% chance you will get something fatal in your lifetime. It may be a cluster of neoplastic cells in your pancreas right now, or that slowly dissecting aneurysm in your cerebral arteries, or the friable plaque in your left main coronary artery. Making sure you have preventive coverage is how we as a society save money on health care. Its a hell of a lot cheaper to treat your LDL cholesterol for a decade than treat the heart attack you had from an unstable plaque. Its a lot more cost effective to give you the anticoagulant for your asymptomatic atrial fibrillation and avoid a stroke which will send you to a nursing home for decades.

Sorry you have to pay more money to get decent insurance, but the ACA will help to ensure a guy like you has minimally standard insurance at competiive market prices. Thats good.

Ain't it just great that you Threegoofs, can tell annata what is best for him/her? What gives you that right to think arrogantly that you can give that advice to someone you don't even know? What if? this, what if? that, I tell ya, you progressive liberals ought to worry about yourselves and leave our decisions to us.
 
Nothing in the ACA, or any other law, prevents that from happening.

In fact, I would say with deductibles going up to as high as $12k, it makes the possibility more likely.
 
Ain't it just great that you Threegoofs, can tell annata what is best for him/her? What gives you that right to think arrogantly that you can give that advice to someone you don't even know? What if? this, what if? that, I tell ya, you progressive liberals ought to worry about yourselves and leave our decisions to us.

Given that health insurance is a population issue, with risk pools playing a major role, it seems to me that a basic understanding of the issues is crucial to knowing what is best for someone. What gives you the right to think ignorantly that information dissemination about basic insurance concepts is arrogant?

I think the problem is that the progressive liberals often HAVE left the decisions to guys like you, and it resulted in a really awful health insurance system that the ACA is now replacing.
 
In fact, I would say with deductibles going up to as high as $12k, it makes the possibility more likely.

So wait. Having an insurance plan with no lifetime cap and a $12k deductible will make you go bankrupt faster when you have a signficant health condition than having no insurance at all? The ACA wont solve the problem, but it will sure help significantly.

Do you have the least bit of knowledge about health care, health care costs, insurance, or the fact that the number one cause of all bankruptcy is the result of health bills. ?
 
So wait. Having an insurance plan with no lifetime cap and a $12k deductible will make you go bankrupt faster when you have a signficant health condition than having no insurance at all? The ACA wont solve the problem, but it will sure help significantly.

Do you have the least bit of knowledge about health care, health care costs, insurance, or the fact that the number one cause of all bankruptcy is the result of health bills. ?

If the person used to have a plan without a lifetime cap and a $3k deductible, then it does increase a bankruptcy chance.
 
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