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    Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage | Reuters

    Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    The debate this week in Hawaii, which allows civil unions, comes at a time of increasing momentum for gay marriage in the courts, at the ballot box and statehouses across the country.
    The governor stressed that the proposal was crafted to address opponents' concerns that legalizing gay marriage would infringe on religious freedom. The proposal exempts clergy and churches from having to perform same-sex marriages.
    "Our whole focus has been on trying to accommodate the First Amendment here with respect to people's religious rights, and that's been done in good faith," Abercrombie said.
    Hearings in the state House of Representatives are scheduled to open on Thursday.
    Democrats hold an overwhelming majority over Republicans in both chambers - 24-1 in the Senate and 44-7 in the House - virtually assuring passage of a gay marriage bill.

    Democratic Governor Neil Abercrombie appeared as the first witness in support of the measure with more than 1,800 people signed up to address the state Senate Judiciary Committee during a special session called by the governor.
    The debate this week in Hawaii, which allows civil unions, comes at a time of increasing momentum for gay marriage in the courts, at the ballot box and statehouses across the country.
    The governor stressed that the proposal was crafted to address opponents' concerns that legalizing gay marriage would infringe on religious freedom. The proposal exempts clergy and churches from having to perform same-sex marriages.
    "Our whole focus has been on trying to accommodate the First Amendment here with respect to people's religious rights, and that's been done in good faith," Abercrombie said.
    Hearings in the state House of Representatives are scheduled to open on Thursday.
    Democrats hold an overwhelming majority over Republicans in both chambers - 24-1 in the Senate and 44-7 in the House - virtually assuring passage of a gay marriage bill.
    Back Up links:
    Gay Marriage Bill Should Be Passed After More Religious Liberty Protections Are Included | Hawaii Reporter
    Hawaii lawmakers question benefits of gay marriage legislation at start of crowded hearing - The Washington Post
    Hawaii Set To Legalize Gay Marriage In Special Legislative Session | Bustle
    Hawaii could become next state to legalize same-sex marriage - NY Daily News


    Seems Hawaii has it locked up and they will be the 15th state to have equal rights!

    While i think the extra legislation about protecting churches is a complete puppet show and waste of time since the 1st amendment exists and isn't going anywhere, if it gives the conspiracy theorists and worry warts peace of mind Im fine with it.

    Now with that said OF COURSE churches should never be forced to marry anybody and i support that 100% but its a non-issue that never came up before.
    Churches discriminate right now! They turn away STRAIGHT couples based on race, being interracial, not religious enough etc everyday because they have the right too and thats not going anywhere.

    Anyway early congratulations Hawaii on being state 15 with equal rights.
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    Re: Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Seems Hawaii has it locked up and they will be the 15th state to have equal rights!
    That number is way too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    That number is way too low.
    But it is going up, and that is encouraging.

    Ten years ago, I believe it was zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    That number is way too low.
    agreed!

    but the reality is if SCOTUS doesnt get involved before hand it has a very good potential of being around 30 within a years time and 3 more over the next 3 years.

    14 states and DC have equal rights:

    California
    Connecticut
    Delaware
    Iowa
    Maine
    Maryland
    Massachusetts
    Minnesota
    New Hampshire
    New York
    New Jersey
    Rhode Island
    Vermont
    Washington

    19 more are in various stages of fighting or establishing a fight for equal rights

    New Mexico – is granting equal rights for now and the SSC is going to decided on this month

    Court Case(s) in the works to establish equal rights:
    Arkansas
    Kentucky
    Michigan
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    Utah
    Virginia

    Court Case(s) and Legislation in the works, which ever wins first:
    Arizona
    Hawaii
    Illinois
    Nevada
    Ohio


    Legislation in the works:
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon
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    Re: Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    You need to stop confusing SSM with equal rights. The equal rights extend to all being able to vote and voice their opinion on the issue, not imposing SSM upon a populace that rejects it (not saying this is what happened in HI though, they are a blue state after all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToastyOats View Post
    But it is going up, and that is encouraging.

    Ten years ago, I believe it was zero.
    correct, 10 years ago this November 2003 will be the anniversary of the first state to grant equal rights, though it didnt take effect until the following year.
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    Re: Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage | Reuters


    Back Up links:
    Gay Marriage Bill Should Be Passed After More Religious Liberty Protections Are Included | Hawaii Reporter
    Hawaii lawmakers question benefits of gay marriage legislation at start of crowded hearing - The Washington Post
    Hawaii Set To Legalize Gay Marriage In Special Legislative Session | Bustle
    Hawaii could become next state to legalize same-sex marriage - NY Daily News


    Seems Hawaii has it locked up and they will be the 15th state to have equal rights!

    While i think the extra legislation about protecting churches is a complete puppet show and waste of time since the 1st amendment exists and isn't going anywhere, if it gives the conspiracy theorists and worry warts peace of mind Im fine with it.

    Now with that said OF COURSE churches should never be forced to marry anybody and i support that 100% but its a non-issue that never came up before.
    Churches discriminate right now! They turn away STRAIGHT couples based on race, being interracial, not religious enough etc everyday because they have the right too and thats not going anywhere.

    Anyway early congratulations Hawaii on being state 15 with equal rights.
    I would say so. I see no way it could be defeated.
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    Re: Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    1.)You need to stop confusing SSM with equal rights. The equal rights extend to all being able to vote and voice their opinion on the issue, not imposing SSM upon a populace that rejects it (not saying this is what happened in HI though, they are a blue state after all).
    theres no confusion on my part at all so theres nothing for me to do excpte to keep fighting and supporting equal rights for my fellow americans.

    If you disagree with the fact this is an equality issue feel free to right the judges that already decided this fact.

    "populace" can reject equal rights all they want, its meaningless just like with minority rights, women rights and interracial marriage. And again no matter your opinion YES they are the same. Facts, rights, law, legislation, ordinances, court cases and precedence as already established this.

    But you are free to have your opinion no matter how many things prove it wrong.
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    Re: Hawaii begins debate over whether to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You need to stop confusing SSM with equal rights.
    State sanctioned discrimination on the basis of Sexual Orientation has everything to do with equal rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    theres no confusion on my part at all so theres nothing for me to do excpte to keep fighting and supporting equal rights for my fellow americans.

    If you disagree with the fact this is an equality issue feel free to right the judges that already decided this fact.

    "populace" can reject equal rights all they want, its meaningless just like with minority rights, women rights and interracial marriage. And again no matter your opinion YES they are the same. Facts, rights, law, legislation, ordinances, court cases and precedence as already established this.

    But you are free to have your opinion no matter how many things prove it wrong.
    Yet there are still a majority of states that uphold traditional marriage that have had such definitions for years without them being overturned. Many of them are state constitutional amendments with the people of that state adopting that definition exercising their equal rights to vote and do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    State sanctioned discrimination on the basis of Sexual Orientation has everything to do with equal rights.
    The default and historic definition of marriage in this nation has been 1 man 1 woman also known as traditional marriage. Including SSM into that definition is a change to policy, not a right to be owed. They do not, and should not, have the right to say that legal definitions that are not as friendly to their sexuality as they want it to be constitutes wrongful discrimination. The default and rule of law is marriage is between 1 man 1 woman unless changed, not that all of a sudden given social changes and changes in thought in some states that it magically becomes a right without such changes in law reflecting that. The state sanctions discrimination would be against voters who have every equal right to uphold traditional marriage and not support changes in popular opinion in some areas of the nation that are legalizing SSM.
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