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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    There you go - bolsters the point I was trying to make. And it really highlights the problem since the vast majority of new people getting healthcare coverage are those who are lumped into the Medicaid rolls and subsidized by those paying the fine/tax and by the $500 plus billion taken out of Medicare. If 20-30-40 million new patients are on the Medicaid rolls, they may have trouble finding ever scarcer doctors/providers willing to accept half what they could get from other patients with private insurance coverage.
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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    And that is of course assume Medicare actually pays at all. They deny more claims than any other insurer in the country. One in every 15 Medicare claims is denied.

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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Anyone who becomes a doctor isn't stupid. I'm sure they took into consideration all factors before making such a decision, factors that I don't have the first clue about.
    I do. If it's really true then it has to be because they think that affordable health care for all the people is going to cut into the higher prices they charge that drives the cost up. After all, Americans pay twice as much per capita for health care compared to Canada.

    Taking into consideration that the WHO also says Canada's health care is rated higher.

    And taking into consideration that Americans don't care what the WHO says because they must be lying. or something? .......

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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    This article is expecting me to believe that doctors are refusing to take patients who have signed up for health insurance from the same companies that were providing it before.

    Patient comes in, probably with better insurance than they had before, and doctors don't want them... why? Spite?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Lots of weakness to this OP, and the more you read, the weaker it gets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This article is expecting me to believe that doctors are refusing to take patients who have signed up for health insurance from the same companies that were providing it before.

    Patient comes in, probably with better insurance than they had before, and doctors don't want them... why? Spite?
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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Doctors can pick and choose what medical plans they will accept from a given provider. There is nothing obligating them to accept insurance that they feel is not financially advantageous or is overly burdensome. A given doctor may accept a few Aetna PPOs, but not other Aetna plans. In t his case the doctors will simply be opting not to accept health insurance plans from private insurers that are being sold on the exchanges because they know they will be carrying the rest of the ACA regulations and added expense with them.

    In the average doctors office it isn't uncommon to see them hire coders and insurance managers that specialize in various insurance plan billing. A doctor that accepts Medicare is almost required to pay an employee just to navigate Medicare billing.

    Accepting an ACA derived plan would likely require they hire yet another person to navigate the this new mess foisted on them by the government.... or simply not hire someone and not accept the insurance.
    What extra expense? The patients have insurance. What difference does it make to the doctor whether or not that policy was sold on an exchange?

    It's not like they're dealing with a new insurance company with new regulations.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Doctors can pick and choose what medical plans they will accept from a given provider. There is nothing obligating them to accept insurance that they feel is not financially advantageous or is overly burdensome. A given doctor may accept a few Aetna PPOs, but not other Aetna plans. In t his case the doctors will simply be opting not to accept health insurance plans from private insurers that are being sold on the exchanges because they know they will be carrying the rest of the ACA regulations and added expense with them.

    In the average doctors office it isn't uncommon to see them hire coders and insurance managers that specialize in various insurance plan billing. A doctor that accepts Medicare is almost required to pay an employee just to navigate Medicare billing.

    Accepting an ACA derived plan would likely require they hire yet another person to navigate the this new mess foisted on them by the government.... or simply not hire someone and not accept the insurance.
    I understand that..I'm curious what hurdles are put in place. I understand there are a lot of added regulations for insurance companies, I understand doctors are a big fan of the 90 day grace period or how high the deductibles are for the plan (poor people with high deductible means higher chance of not getting compensated).

    As for the medical billing...the ACA creates baseline plans with baseline things covered. As of now hospitals deal with over a thousand insurers with different plans and different requirements. This idea that there's horrible Medicare billing and easy chessy private billing is just false. Most hospitals may hire a Medicare billing expert...but it's because of the high volume of medicare patients they receive.
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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What extra expense? The patients have insurance. What difference does it make to the doctor whether or not that policy was sold on an exchange?

    It's not like they're dealing with a new insurance company with new regulations.
    there's no difference, except possibly that some doctors are feeling threatened with the possibility that the ACA may look a little closer at how they are gouging for their services. One instance that comes to mind is resorting to expensive MRI's in the US when a cheap X-ray serves the need just as well. (that's not in all cases of course)

    Stopping that abuse, as well as many more would bring the cost of health care in the US down to something a little closer to Canada's where we pay roughly half as much per capita.

    But no, the racist teabaggers would want to ignore that wouldn't they!

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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This article is expecting me to believe that doctors are refusing to take patients who have signed up for health insurance from the same companies that were providing it before.

    Patient comes in, probably with better insurance than they had before, and doctors don't want them... why? Spite?
    Once again, the difference in payout. And you're dreaming with the "probably with better insurance" crack.

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    Re: Docs Resisting ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    there's no difference, except possibly that some doctors are feeling threatened with the possibility that the ACA may look a little closer at how they are gouging for their services. One instance that comes to mind is resorting to expensive MRI's in the US when a cheap X-ray serves the need just as well. (that's not in all cases of course)

    Stopping that abuse, as well as many more would bring the cost of health care in the US down to something a little closer to Canada's where we pay roughly half as much per capita.

    But no, the racist teabaggers would want to ignore that wouldn't they!
    There are many reasons an MRI is superior diagnostically speaking to X-Ray.

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