Obamacare individual mandate delayed

Samhain · Oct 30, 2013

upsideguy said:
Given that almost 1,000,000 (862,000) have signed up for plans under the ACA, that 1000 to one thing about going to Mars.... 1 billion people signing up for a trip to Mars thing.... what a thriving business.

Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) Health Insurance Signup Chart

I just checked out the CO site. It was quick, easy, and much lower (at first blush) in comparison to what I am paying now. My equivalent Kaiser plan for my family (Silver) looks like it will cost at $600 per month as opposed to the $2,000 I am now paying. Deductibles are comparable, co-insurance a little higher, but the out of pocket is capped at less than my current premiums.... In Colorado, at state the embraced the ACA and set up a good marketplace, this looks good. I do have to see what this will do for my employees, however.

FYI, most of those state numbers aren't on the exchanges, but are onto Medicaid( Washington - 87%, Kentucky - 82%, New York - 64%, etc ).

While on the topic of a 6-week enrollment delay, more news of policy premium spikes.

Insurers Oppose Obamacare Extension as Danger to Profits - Bloomberg

Extending the enrollment period would have a “destabilizing effect on insurance markets,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for the Washington-based lobbyist group American’s Health Insurance Plans. Allowing younger, healthy Americans to sign up later, as they probably would, means less revenue for insurers counting on those premiums to help defray the cost of sicker customers, threatening industry profits.
Enlarge image Healthcare.gov Website

“If you can enroll at any point in the year, then you can just wait until you get sick,” Brian Wright, an analyst with Monness Crespi Hardt in New York, said in a telephone interview. “This isn’t the industry crying foul and exaggerating the issue, this is actually one of those issues where there is a well-grounded reason for the concerns.”

upsideguy · Oct 30, 2013

Samhain said:
FYI, most of those state numbers aren't on the exchanges, but are onto Medicaid( Washington - 87%, Kentucky - 82%, New York - 64%, etc ).

While on the topic of a 6-week enrollment delay, more news of policy premium spikes.

Insurers Oppose Obamacare Extension as Danger to Profits - Bloomberg

Duly noted. The guy that prepared this well articulates that he had to do a lot of data mining. Though I doubt its accuracy, I believe the message that people are indeed signing up, and in states that have their own exchanges, its doing pretty well for one month into to business. The demand is clearly present.

Deuce · Oct 30, 2013

MrVicchio said:
Yes, but those generally have this thing called "Legal authority" to do so, not just a whim.

The IRS has the legal authority to do this and always has.

j-mac · Oct 31, 2013

head of joaquin said:
Yeah, because it's impossible to fix a website, and ACA is nothing more than a website.

Jesus, what will conservative have to talk about 6 months from now when ACA is running fine and the number of uninsured drops precipitously?

Agenda 21 or something like that.

At that point it will probably be the push you libs will be trying with a forced move to single payer, because y'all broke the system.

j-mac · Oct 31, 2013

upsideguy said:
Given that almost 1,000,000 (862,000) have signed up for plans under the ACA, that 1000 to one thing about going to Mars.... 1 billion people signing up for a trip to Mars thing.... what a thriving business.

Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) Health Insurance Signup Chart

I just checked out the CO site. It was quick, easy, and much lower (at first blush) in comparison to what I am paying now. My equivalent Kaiser plan for my family (Silver) looks like it will cost at $600 per month as opposed to the $2,000 I am now paying. Deductibles are comparable, co-insurance a little higher, but the out of pocket is capped at less than my current premiums.... In Colorado, at state the embraced the ACA and set up a good marketplace, this looks good. I do have to see what this will do for my employees, however.

We don't know how many people have actually purchased plans. The "sign up" number you are trying to pass off here is just people trying to find out their cost.

On your own experience, there is of course no way for any of us to verify what you say on that, and given that you were already caught trying to deceive in this post, I am disinclined to trust what you are saying here.

BmanMcfly · Oct 31, 2013

j-mac said:
We don't know how many people have actually purchased plans. The "sign up" number you are trying to pass off here is just people trying to find out their cost.

On your own experience, there is of course no way for any of us to verify what you say on that, and given that you were already caught trying to deceive in this post, I am disinclined to trust what you are saying here.

Exactly; nobody has signed up through the website... The few dozen people that HAVE signed up (or believe at least that they have signed up) have done so through the phone.

As for the trip to mars, those volunteers are going on a one way trip.... And there was still more interest than Obamacare.

ItAin'tFree · Oct 31, 2013

American said:
Our great king has grant us reprieve from the great mandate, so millions will die for lack of funding to pay their healthcare. :roll:

LOL. Good one. And if the liberals were correct before they are certainly correct now. LOL.

It's not the evil, corrupt health insurance companies that Obama wants to force everyone to do business with. It's him. LOL.

ItAin'tFree · Oct 31, 2013

Deuce said:
No, this was your meme. You ****in brought it up. No liberal has ever said a delayed mandate will cause the deaths of millions. You are the only person to ever suggest this. You, alone, own this "meme."

So, if delaying a mandate for six weeks causes the deaths of millions, what about the GOP's attempt to delay it a year?

Where's your outrage at Obama for changing "the law of the land"? LOL.

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

upsideguy said:
Given that almost 1,000,000 (862,000) have signed up for plans under the ACA, that 1000 to one thing about going to Mars.... 1 billion people signing up for a trip to Mars thing.... what a thriving business.

Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) Health Insurance Signup Chart

I just checked out the CO site. It was quick, easy, and much lower (at first blush) in comparison to what I am paying now. My equivalent Kaiser plan for my family (Silver) looks like it will cost at $600 per month as opposed to the $2,000 I am now paying. Deductibles are comparable, co-insurance a little higher, but the out of pocket is capped at less than my current premiums.... In Colorado, at state the embraced the ACA and set up a good marketplace, this looks good. I do have to see what this will do for my employees, however.

What happened in Connecticut? Why did the system go down last night? Why are they now warning people about fake Obamacare Sites?

What happened in NY with giving out the Wrong Phones numbers for Obama-counselors?

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

j-mac said:
We don't know how many people have actually purchased plans. The "sign up" number you are trying to pass off here is just people trying to find out their cost.

On your own experience, there is of course no way for any of us to verify what you say on that, and given that you were already caught trying to deceive in this post, I am disinclined to trust what you are saying here.

Mornin JMac. :2wave: Well Sebelius testified that there are numbers but they wont let those tech companies release them. Until Team Obama can confirm the numbers. At least that's what she said yesterday. So in effect they have a gag order on them.

bubbabgone · Oct 31, 2013

j-mac said:
At that point it will probably be the push you libs will be trying with a forced move to single payer, because y'all broke the system.

hey j-mac ... didn't you see the "Troll Alert" warning?

Linc · Oct 31, 2013

There were no gag orders during the Bush-43 administration..

MMC said:
Mornin JMac. :2wave: Well Sebelius testified that there are numbers but they wont let those tech companies release them. Until Team Obama can confirm the numbers. At least that's what she said yesterday. So in effect they have a gag order on them.

Linc · Oct 31, 2013

There are higher tech problems, higher tech hacks..
With your extensive knowledge in hackery, I suggest you go to D.C. after the Blackhawks and give a brother a hand .

MMC said:
What happened in Connecticut? Why did the system go down last night? Why are they now warning people about fake Obamacare Sites?

What happened in NY with giving out the Wrong Phones numbers for Obama-counselors?

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

NIMBY said:
There were no gag orders during the Bush-43 administration..

Looks like Sebelius is saying there is one now.....which is relevant in time and space.

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

NIMBY said:
There are higher tech problems, higher tech hacks..
With your extensive knowledge in hackery, I suggest you go to D.C. after the Blackhawks and give a brother a hand .

Hackery? Is that your excuse for their incompetency? Oh so now you are admitting that the Site can be hacked. Yet want people to put up their personal information and have it all available to the world. You don't think that because Sebelius said she was sorry that she meant it, now? Especially since she refuses to put herself into the exchange. Notice she didn't have an answer for why Policies were costing more.

Here.....this should help you to figure it out.

Let me know when ya need another helping hand.

Linc · Oct 31, 2013

When will you support your Country again with your considerable knowledge..
The Nation sunk a lot of money into preparing you as a soldier and beyond..

MMC said:
Looks like Sebelius is saying there
is one now.....which is relevant in time and space.

As Democrats did with Medicare part D, though they voted against it .

vasuderatorrent · Oct 31, 2013

Benzin388 said:
Good or bad idea. Your thoughts...

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration says it's granting a six-week extension until March 31 for Americans to sign up for coverage next year and avoid new tax penalties under the president's health care overhaul law.
Monday's move had been expected since White House spokesman Jay Carney promised quick action last week to resolve a "disconnect" in the implementation of the law. Technical problems continue to trouble the website that's supposed to be the main enrollment vehicle for people who don't get health care at work.
Under the new policy, people who sign up by the end of open enrollment season won't face a penalty.
Previously you had to sign up by the middle of February, so your coverage would take effect March 1.
The extension is for 2014 only.

link to article: White House Grants Extension On Obamacare Enrollment

It's alright but I already signed up for coverage that starts on January 1, 2014. If I would have known this I would have made my policy effective April 1, 2014. The Health Insurance Company wins in my case.

Linc · Oct 31, 2013

Since Americans retired will not volunteer for anything, the USA needs about 5% of the Israeli solution,
since that's about all our ***** citizens could handle..

MMC said:
Hackery? Is that your excuse for their incompetency? Oh so now you are admitting that the Site can be hacked. Yet want people to put up their personal information and have it all available to the world.

The Country needs your help Bro..

You don't think that because Sebelius said she was sorry that she meant it, now?
Notice she didn't have an answer for why Policies were costing more.

Insurance companies have had a seat at the Cantor Coup table all along .

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

NIMBY said:
When will you support your Country again with your considerable knowledge..
The Nation sunk a lot of money into preparing you as a soldier and beyond..

As Democrats did with Medicare part D, though they voted against it .

I support my country now.....but I wont support sell outs. That includes your man Obama. Nor any other Neo Libs and Neo Cons.
Don't forget my Oath is a bit different than those Politicians. Mine.....includes looking out for Domestic Enemies. Nor is mine beholden to the UN.

Linc · Oct 31, 2013

The UN!!You're one of those??
Domestic enemies!!Aren't they from your octopus of so many right-wing tentacles .

MMC said:
I support my country now.....but I wont support sell outs. That includes your man Obama. Nor any other Neo Libs and Neo Cons.
Don't forget my Oath is a bit different than those Politicians. Mine.....includes looking out for Domestic Enemies. Nor is mine beholden to the UN.

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

NIMBY said:
Since Americans retired will not volunteer for anything, the USA needs about 5% of the Israeli solution,
since that's about all our ***** citizens could handle..

The Country needs your help Bro..

Insurance companies have had a seat at the Cantor Coup table all along .

Correction.....looks like they were sitting at Obama's table. Since it is his team who is looking out for them and with how they will be able to raise cost in 2015. Remember now.....it is Obama who gave the Insurers and The Big Corporations and Unions a free pass for a year.

All the little people are expected to pay to make his program work. Which he needs the youth of America to step up and pay his freight and that of everyone else.

MMC · Oct 31, 2013

NIMBY said:
The UN!!You're one of those??
Domestic enemies!!Aren't they from your octopus of so many right-wing tentacles .

Yeah, I am NOT one of those Service men that took an Oath for the UN. Or as you put it One of those and whatever you meant. Course it would take one that knows about serving.....huh? Especially whenever talking about those that actually did.

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