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Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional [W:167:202:330]

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ecofarm said:
Is there anyone who you do not consider a worthless sack of ****?
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Some but very few.
 
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Tigger said:
Some but very few.
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I mean other than the Wood Faeries. Humans.
 
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Conservative said:
This is exactly why I stay away from this topic as anything that anyone says who is anti abortion is a lie or from someone uneducated. You are going to have to reconcile your position some day and that is my last word on the subject. I get nothing out of my support for elimination of abortions other than my zest and love for life. Millions of abortions has prevented the potential for innovative and creative, hard working people to enter this society and that is a travesty. I am done with this topic
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They're carrying it to the next logical step in Belgium. Belgium Considering New Euthanasia Law for Kids - ABC News
 
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Conservative said:
1.)This is exactly why I stay away from this topic as anything that anyone says who is anti abortion is a lie or from someone uneducated.
2.) You are going to have to reconcile your position some day and that is my last word on the subject.
3.)I get nothing out of my support for elimination of abortions other than my zest and love for life.
4.) Millions of abortions has prevented the potential for innovative and creative, hard working people to enter this society and that is a travesty.

5.)I am done with this topic
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some how i KNEW yo uwould run away and dodge all the questions that expose your post.

1.) 100% wrong i talk to a good group of people that are pro-life but they are also very educated and honest about the topic. This specific topic (this legislation) you clearly are not. If this fact bothers you the problem is yours, educate yourself on this topic and you will see this legislation has nothing to do with the medical science field regulations about safety and that is a fact. Sorry that bothers you but like i said thats your issue.

2.) nope i wont, theres nothing to reconcile, if you disagree PLEASE tell me what that factually is, i bet you wont answer

3.) yes you PERSONALLY may bot, others do. ANd your "love for life" factually excludes the woman or at least ranks her second to the ZEF. I love BOTH lives. Again if you dont like that fact change your stance.

4.) or it allowed people to do the responsible and moral thing according to their view or prevented someone from being homeless, abused, molested abandoned etc.

sorry REALITY works both ways, while the next Einstein may not have been born neither may the next Hitler

5.) good move come back after you learn some facts on this specific topic(the legislation) and you are educated on it.
 
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AGENT J said:
some how i KNEW yo uwould run away and dodge all the questions that expose your post.

1.) 100% wrong i talk to a good group of people that are pro-life but they are also very educated and honest about the topic. This specific topic (this legislation) you clearly are not. If this fact bothers you the problem is yours, educate yourself on this topic and you will see this legislation has nothing to do with the medical science field regulations about safety and that is a fact. Sorry that bothers you but like i said thats your issue.

2.) nope i wont, theres nothing to reconcile, if you disagree PLEASE tell me what that factually is, i bet you wont answer

3.) yes you PERSONALLY may bot, others do. ANd your "love for life" factually excludes the woman or at least ranks her second to the ZEF. I love BOTH lives. Again if you dont like that fact change your stance.

4.) or it allowed people to do the responsible and moral thing according to their view or prevented someone from being homeless, abused, molested abandoned etc.

sorry REALITY works both ways, while the next Einstein may not have been born neither may the next Hitler

5.) good move come back after you learn some facts on this specific topic(the legislation) and you are educated on it.
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I have over 43000 posts and am scared of no one in this forum including you. it is a waste of time dealing with you on this issue and as I stated in coming into this OP I have no interest in debating abortion or same sex marriage. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine. You have a passion for this issue, a passion that will be reconciled someday when you face God.

I live in TX, you live in Pa. You claim I am uneducated on the law and the subject so I will leave you with that belief. I guess you should be luck that your mom didn't believe as you do as maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
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danarhea said:
Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.
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Always nice to see crack pot ideology get shot down, but I fear that the courts will not be able to protect us from extremism forever.
 
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Conservative said:
1.)I have over 43000 posts and am scared of no one in this forum including you.
2.)it is a waste of time dealing with you on this issue and as I stated in coming into this OP I have no interest in debating abortion or same sex marriage.
3.)I am not going to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine.
4.) You have a passion for this issue, a passion that will be reconciled someday when you face God.
5.) I live in TX, you live in Pa. You claim I am uneducated on the law and the subject so I will leave you with that belief.
6.)I guess you should be luck that your mom didn't believe as you do as maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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1.) lol what on gods green earth are you talking about? who said you are scared? please feel free to make up move stuff.
2.) yes this is true when a poster as severely uneducated about this topic as you tries it is a waste of time on your part.
3.) what are you talking about, nobody is trying to change your mind i was talking about facts and you were factually wrong. Sorry that upsets you but its how it is. Id support this legisaltion 100% if it was truely about safety and backed up by the medical science community but the fact remains its not.

SO theres no "minds" to change, i presented facts you did not

4.) God is fine with my stance and theres nothing to reconcile

5.) yes on THIS topic (this legislation) that is a fact. You are severely uneducated about it, its not a claim and this fact as already been proven hence why you run away from the questions that factually prove you wrong

6.) there you go complete owning your own post again, my mom does believe as i do, oooops your post loses again to facts

this is hilarious please dont stop posting, i bet in your next post you dont answer any of the questions either
 
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Conservative said:
What really is sad in my opinion is that the parents of people who support Abortion probably didn't thus we have this group of people supporting abortions.
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They've all probably had very unhappy childhoods, have made little of their lives, claim 'spirituality', and support euthanasia as well.
 
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Conservative said:
What really is sad in my opinion is that the parents of people who support Abortion probably didn't thus we have this group of people supporting abortions.
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your opinion couldnt be further from the truth

its illogical to think that the majority of people who are prochoice would never have kids that just silly.
My grandmother was prochoice, my grandfather was pro-life, my did was pro-choice my mom is prochoice, im prochoice and my daughter "seems" to be pro-choice.
so theres 4 generations


also euthanasia has nothing to do with abortion law they arent even the same ball park lol
 
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danarhea said:
Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.
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Progressives will always find a judge that will "see it their way."

Also, last time I checked MURDER was a capital crime and seeing bitches out there with signs which basically sate that it's "a womans right to murder" pisses me off.... All I can do is feel pity for their epic ignorance....
 
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As soon as this legislation and legislation like it is supported by the medical science communities based on safety studies, standards, protocols, rules and procedures it will have my some of my support.
after that as soon as it doesn't single out medical facilities that do abortions care and applies to all medical facilities that do all procedures that are rated the same safety wise, it will have the rest of my support.(and if it was really a safety issue this would happen by default)


But the fact remains its not based on and medical science communities recommendations, safety studies, standards, protocols, rules and procedures and only discriminates against medical facilities that provide abortion services in the most biased fashion. So many people simply laugh at its totally dishonest smoke screen claim of safety and are intelligent enough to see its BS.
 
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danarhea said:
Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.
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Supreme Court refuses to block Texas abortion restrictions | Fox News

So far, you're not doing to well on the whole "Constitutional" bit. Love how you ignored this one.

The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to block controversial Texas abortion restrictions that have been called some of the strictest in the country and have led a dozen abortion clinics in the state to stop performing the procedure.

The court by a 5-4 vote denied a request by Planned Parenthood to block a ruling by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, allowing key parts of the Texas abortion law to stay in effect while the lawsuit challenging the restrictions moves forward.
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AGENT J said:
again 100% correct which IS the factual issue and why BOTH lives matter and not just one.
SOrry theres no changing the fact two lives are in the discussion and there's no way to grant equality one will always be the lesser in any decision made.
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That is true...however one has achieved a life while one is only yet 'potential'. It may or may not ever come to fruition.

Religion has it's place in the argument *personally*..however not to force on others.

We have no laws that allow the termination of a living (born) human to save another from death (mother's life is in danger) or mental anguish (in cases of rape or incest). This is an acknowledgement that most pro-life proponents accept...and the law does of course.

So the rights of both are not equal nor should they be. One may never even be born....the woman's rights should not be superseded.
 
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Conservative said:
My belief and my God tell me that life begins at conception which means the killing of a human fetus and to me and by all definition that is murder. Because the law doesn't say that doesn't mean that it isn't murder. Nobody can claim that it isn't murder to take the life of a human fetus except the Federal Govt.
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Do you believe that the death penalty is murder?
 
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Conservative said:
Legal abortion doesn't make it any less murder. The term unlawful is the only thing that keeps women and doctors out of jail. That doesn't mean that it isn't murder because it is the premeditated killing of a human being.
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As a devout religious person, you are welcome to your beliefs and may follow them. As an American, the Constitution and our laws supersede personal beliefs to keep those beliefs from infringing on others that do not believe the same.
 
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Conservative said:
Lies and games? Why do you think that is? Is life so meaningless to people that support abortion rights for any circumstances? What personal gain does anyone get from opposing abortion? I can give you the gains generated by people who support abortions including the abortion industry.
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I believe in quality of life, not quantity. And personal gain? Less taxpayer $$ out of my pocket (or Texans in this case) to pay for public assistance for children that women cannot afford, court costs for DNA tests and dead-beat dads, the cost to society of women who do not get to fulfill their potential by not completing educations, getting a higher education, not developing a career but ending up in a dead end job, etc. Just a Reader's Digest version.
 
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Lursa said:
Do you believe that the death penalty is murder?
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Do you believe that innocence and guilt are irrelevant?
 
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ecofarm said:
Do you believe that innocence and guilt are irrelevant?
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In abortion? Yes. Because there is neither.

In the death penalty? I dont believe in that only because I dont believe it is actually a deterrant (it has not been proven to be). So to me if it doesnt prevent other crimes, it is just revenge. Otherwise, just locking them up for life achieves the same purpose...protects society. Has nothing to do with guilt or sanctity of life for me.
 
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Lursa said:
In abortion? Yes. Because there is neither.

In the death penalty? I dont believe in that only because I dont believe it is actually a deterrant (it has not been proven to be). So to me if it doesnt prevent other crimes, it is just revenge. Otherwise, just locking them up for life achieves the same purpose...protects society. Has nothing to do with guilt or sanctity of life for me.
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My point was, comparing the killing of the innocent to those otherwise is not legit, it's attempting to corner someone into an absolute they did not claim. At some point, probably around self defense and the defense of others, we all agree that lethal force is justified.

I'm anti death penalty for the reasons you noted, as well as that capital punishment provides justification for the rationalization of murder and thus actually encourages, promotes and increases murder.
 
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ecofarm said:
My point was, comparing the killing of the innocent to those otherwise is not legit, it's attempting to corner someone into an absolute they did not claim. At some point, probably around self defense and the defense of others, we all agree that lethal force is justified.

I'm anti death penalty for the reasons you noted, as well as that capital punishment justifies the rationalization of murder and thus actually encourages, promotes and increases murder.
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Something unborn isnt innocent...it has no way to act or think either way. The religious believe in its innocence but that is as a state of grace.

Pregnancy...and abortion...are very real risks to a woman's life or health. That choice should remain with the woman, which risks to take. That is not 'guilt' if that was an implication here.
 
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Lursa said:
Something unborn isnt innocent...it has no way to act or think either way.
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Nonsense. It is without guilt. Recent science has shown that a fetus is affected by several hormones that induce a coma-like state, and thus perceiving cognitive ability is not so easy.
 
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