• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional [W:167:202:330]

Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

As I already stated, this will go all the way to SCOTUS, where those provisions will be killed.

I take it your answer means you haven't heard anything either.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

dont fall for the lies

safety is the smoke screen its not real its made up, its a complete lie. These clinics are already operating by the standards, rules, protocols and procedures the medical community have in place and many other places that conduct the same rated procedures dont have to have these EXTRA standards made up by legislation and not by safety studies or requirements from the medical community.

Its blatantly obvious that this is people trying to push there personal morals and restrict abortion only when its written to only effect abortion clinics and not any other healthcare facilities that do similar rated (risk level) procedures.

Its complete BS and it makes me laugh that people try to use that false guise

Now having said that if the medical community, the FDA and or medical/science suggested or showed this needed done Id be 100% for it.
But the fact remains its not.
I kinda wondered...

I think the recent decision ( I think it's the most recent?) to reinstate the provisions because they are not unconstitutional (I think that's what the second ruling said?) might be an attempt to get the supreme court to address it...or something like that...since apparently this recent ruling references one of the SCOTUS's rulings.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

A thought occurs...

If this were REALLY about making abortions safer, instead of closing clinics which were considered unsafe for whatever reason (not close enough to a hospital?), it would provide funds to upgrade facilities near the most at-risk areas...


Maybe?
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

A thought occurs...
moo
If this were REALLY about making abortions I, instead of closing clinics which were considered unsafe for whatever reason (not close enough to a hospital?), it would provide funds to upgrade facilities near the most at-risk areas...


Maybe?
Texans generally dont support abortion, that wouldnt fly. So they went this route. That we allow unborn children to be needlessly murdered is galling to begin with.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

A thought occurs...

If this were REALLY about making abortions safer, instead of closing clinics which were considered unsafe for whatever reason (not close enough to a hospital?), it would provide funds to upgrade facilities near the most at-risk areas...


Maybe?

not only that if they were truly unsafe by standards, medical science regulations or FDA protocols etc they would just be shut down for violating the law/rules.

But since they factually are just as safe as any other medical facility of thier kind people are trying to invent a false reason to shut them down based on ntohng more that their want to force their opinions on others.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

not only that if they were truly unsafe by standards, medical science regulations or FDA protocols etc they would just be shut down for violating the law/rules.

But since they factually are just as safe as any other medical facility of thier kind people are trying to invent a false reason to shut them down based on ntohng more that their want to force their opinions on others.

This is really a passionate issue for you, did you ever have an abortion?
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

Let's make a gentleman's bet. Loser has to wear the avatar the winner chooses for a month. My bet is that the Supreme Court will uphold this decision. If you are so sure they won't, then put your avatar where your mouth is. We got a bet?

Ok, sounds fun.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

This is really a passionate issue for you, did you ever have an abortion?


how would i have one?

anyway passionate? not really
just entertained by the lies and games people play to dishonestly infring on others when the fact remains this legislation has nothing to do with safety
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

how would i have one?

anyway passionate? not really
just entertained by the lies and games people play to dishonestly infring on others when the fact remains this legislation has nothing to do with safety

Lies and games? Why do you think that is? Is life so meaningless to people that support abortion rights for any circumstances? What personal gain does anyone get from opposing abortion? I can give you the gains generated by people who support abortions including the abortion industry.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

1.)Lies and games?
2.)Why do you think that is?
3.) Is life so meaningless to people that support abortion rights for any circumstances?
4.) What personal gain does anyone get from opposing abortion?
5.) I can give you the gains generated by people who support abortions including the abortion industry.

1.) yes thats a fact
2.) see above
3.) i can only answer for me and for me the answer is no. Like i said earlier if this legislation was honestly based on saftey and medical science standards and protocols id be all for it.

also said earlier that if the legislation just want to make a soft ban on abortion (meaning certain exceptions would still be allowed after 20 weeks) I personally would support it. But like many other bills it would probably be ruled unconstitutional.

See for me since i care about BOTH lives i want something in the medial and mane up healthcare restrictions isnt the way to go.

4.) again i can only answer for myself and honestly, i have no idea. Morally, logically and using reality i see no "personal" gain from trying to force views on others and violate current legal and human rights unless of course thats what people want. They want to force thier opinions on others and dont care about anythign else.

5.) no, you can give me what you think the gains are like i did. I can tell you what my peronsal gain is.

SInce i care about both lives and i understand the fact that there is factually not way to ban abortion or abortions with no limits at all and not violate legal and human rights of the ZEF or woman. I choose to support something in the middle and not something lopsided or one side.

I like standing up for legal and human rights and i like trying to do whats fair and good for the rules, laws, rights and freedoms of the country.

thats what i get out of it.

Like i said if this legislation was honestly about saftey and supported by the medical science community i would also support it

If it just tried to make a soft cap at 20 weeks i would support it

But thats factually not the case so i dont support it or its dishonest fallacies.

ANything else you want to know of ME, feel free to ask i cant speak for others
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

Lies and games? Why do you think that is? Is life so meaningless to people that support abortion rights for any circumstances? What personal gain does anyone get from opposing abortion? I can give you the gains generated by people who support abortions including the abortion industry.
Personally...in my perfect fantasy world, there would be no abortions, because there would be no NEED for abortions.

Sadly, that world is just a fantasy.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

Ok, sounds fun.

I've got your avatar all picked out....

NOTE: I fear what you have picked out for me. LOL.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

I've got your avatar all picked out....

NOTE: I fear what you have picked out for me. LOL.



Oh it's not too bad, ;).
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

1.) yes thats a fact
2.) see above
3.) i can only answer for me and for me the answer is no. Like i said earlier if this legislation was honestly based on saftey and medical science standards and protocols id be all for it.

also said earlier that if the legislation just want to make a soft ban on abortion (meaning certain exceptions would still be allowed after 20 weeks) I personally would support it. But like many other bills it would probably be ruled unconstitutional.

See for me since i care about BOTH lives i want something in the medial and mane up healthcare restrictions isnt the way to go.

4.) again i can only answer for myself and honestly, i have no idea. Morally, logically and using reality i see no "personal" gain from trying to force views on others and violate current legal and human rights unless of course thats what people want. They want to force thier opinions on others and dont care about anythign else.

5.) no, you can give me what you think the gains are like i did. I can tell you what my peronsal gain is.

SInce i care about both lives and i understand the fact that there is factually not way to ban abortion or abortions with no limits at all and not violate legal and human rights of the ZEF or woman. I choose to support something in the middle and not something lopsided or one side.

I like standing up for legal and human rights and i like trying to do whats fair and good for the rules, laws, rights and freedoms of the country.

thats what i get out of it.

Like i said if this legislation was honestly about saftey and supported by the medical science community i would also support it

If it just tried to make a soft cap at 20 weeks i would support it

But thats factually not the case so i dont support it or its dishonest fallacies.

ANything else you want to know of ME, feel free to ask i cant speak for others

First of all you made a claim about lies and games and called those facts. Facts have to be presented and you have presented none therefore this is your opinion. Want to try again?

The Abortion industry is huge business with costs in the billions so saying it isn't big business is just wrong. What does someone who doesn't support abortion get?

This country is in real trouble with human life isn't valued, including that of a fetus.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

1.)First of all you made a claim about lies and games and called those facts.
2.) Facts have to be presented and you have presented none therefore this is your opinion. Want to try again?

3.) The Abortion industry is huge business with costs in the billions so saying it isn't big business is just wrong.

4.) What does someone who doesn't support abortion get?

5.) This country is in real trouble with human life isn't valued, including that of a fetus.

1.) yes, i did, and they are facts. The claim that this legislation is about womens safety is a lie.
where are you confused.

2.) 100% FALSE the fact remains that those clinics were already operating by medical/science and current FDA guidelines and this legislation is not based on safety studies or the recommendation of the medical science community nor does it effect any other type of medical facilities that do procedures classified as the same risk factor.

all facts, so no, i dont need to try again

3.) can you quote where i said that abortion isnt a big business? oh thats right i didnt, wanna try again lol because thats a meaningless strawman. all medicine is a big business.

4.) They dont need to get anything, what does somebody that doesnt support medicine get? another meaningless point.
BUT just to touch on the meaningless point a little if the like healthcare many clinics offer other healthcare besides abortions but again your question is 100% meaningless to the topic.

5.) the country is fine when it comes to abortion but whats weird is i value the ZEF AND THE WOMAN so i guess im doing great! :)
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

AGENT J;1062495460]1.) yes, i did, and they are facts. The claim that this legislation is about womens safety is a lie.
where are you confused.

Your opinion noted, hardly factual

2.) 100% FALSE the fact remains that those clinics were already operating by medical/science and current FDA guidelines and this legislation is not based on safety studies or the recommendation of the medical science community nor does it effect any other type of medical facilities that do procedures classified as the same risk factor.

all facts, so no, i dont need to try again

Actually yes you do because yours are opinions hardly factual. Maybe you don't fully understand the definition of a fact

3.) can you quote where i said that abortion isnt a big business? oh thats right i didnt, wanna try again lol because thats a meaningless strawman. all medicine is a big business.

Then try answering the question, what do opponents of abortion gain through their opposition? We know proponents are in a multi million dollar business

Big Business: Planned Parenthood Raking in $164 Million in Abortion Money Each Year - Katie Pavlich

4.) They dont need to get anything, what does somebody that doesnt support medicine get? another meaningless point.
BUT just to touch on the meaningless point a little if the like healthcare many clinics offer other healthcare besides abortions but again your question is 100% meaningless to the topic.

Your opinion noted, there is monetary incentive to support abortion and no such thing to be an opponent. You don't think money drives the abortion supporters?

5.) the country is fine when it comes to abortion but whats weird is i value the ZEF AND THE WOMAN so i guess im doing great! :)

Your opinion noted again, but mine is that this country is losing its soul and abortion on demand cheapens life. Sorry I cannot buy that.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

Personally...in my perfect fantasy world, there would be no abortions, because there would be no NEED for abortions.

Sadly, that world is just a fantasy.

If more liberals would begin each argument with that statement it would help their cause SO much. Instead they come of like gun nuts who freak out over ANY law abridging their rights to buy weapons. Both groups come off as irrational.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

If more liberals would begin each argument with that statement it would help their cause SO much. Instead they come of like gun nuts who freak out over ANY law abridging their rights to buy weapons. Both groups come off as irrational.
If anyone completely believes that we must have all abortions available, or the opposite, then they ARE irrational.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

First of all you made a claim about lies and games and called those facts. Facts have to be presented and you have presented none therefore this is your opinion. Want to try again?

The Abortion industry is huge business with costs in the billions so saying it isn't big business is just wrong. What does someone who doesn't support abortion get?

This country is in real trouble with human life isn't valued, including that of a fetus.

A fetus is just that, only a fetus and not a person. If the people who worry so much about a fetus would worry a little bit about their fellow human beings the world would be a better place.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

1.)Your opinion noted, hardly factual

2.)Actually yes you do because yours are opinions hardly factual. Maybe you don't fully understand the definition of a fact



3.)Then try answering the question, what do opponents of abortion gain through their opposition?

4.) We know proponents are in a multi million dollar business

Big Business: Planned Parenthood Raking in $164 Million in Abortion Money Each Year - Katie Pavlich

5..)Your opinion noted

6.) there is monetary incentive to support abortion

7.)and no such thing to be an opponent.

8.)You don't think money drives the abortion supporters?

9.)Your opinion noted again, but mine is that this country is losing its soul and abortion on demand cheapens life. Sorry I cannot buy that.

1.) nope its a fact and lying about that or showing how uneducated you are on this topic isnt going to change that fact lol Have you actually read the legislation and opponents and supports of it? better yet how about statments from medical orgs on it that are NOT abortion clinics?

oooh i know, if its only my opinion then you can simply tell us all what medical science protocols its based on. And if those protocols already exists why dont they just simply shut down the clinics for breaking the laws/protocols?

oh thats right because what i stated is fact, please stop you are only exposing your posts and how uneducated you are about this topic

2.) see 1, your ignorance on this topic loses and gets destroyed by facts again
tell me that cool line about not understanding that word again lol

3.) already answer this question in post 60

4.) im a proponent and that business does do anything for me I already told you what i gain.

once again your two straw-men get destroyed and fail.

I couldnt careless how much PP makes or any other healthcare provider as long as they follow rules and arent double, triple charging the customer for their services

totally meaningless to the discussion lol keep trying to deflect though its funny

5.) again wrong, its a fact they dont need to get anything

6.) there is monetary incentive to support all healthcare IF thats the business you are in, I however dont see any of that money

are you upset orthopedics makes money too? lol

7.) well thank you again for proving how biased and uneducated on this topic you are. Are you actually trying to claim nobody makes money being against abortion? That might be one of the most uneducated things i heard anybody say on this topic.

yeah no monies, grants. donations are mad from religions or pro-life orgs to anybody ever. No money to be made for certain people that provide pre and post natal care, no money to be made from people that provide family assistance after wards and get grants etc etc etc

wow! now, im not using your illogical argument for myself, just exposing how factually mental inane, dishonest and topically uneducated it is.

but thank you for completely owning your own post.

8.) see 7, im sure it drives SOME, just like it drives SOME abortion opponents . . . meaningless

9.) your purchase of facts isn't needed, i care about both lives this fact will never change
making a women a second class citizen would cheapen life too but you are ok with that lol, sorry again im good with legislation that meets somewhere in the middle.

You factually are not and dont want that, and thats fine, thats your choice.
facts destroy your post again

Let me know when you have an argument that is actually on topic, not a deflection and can be backed up
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

If anyone completely believes that we must have all abortions available, or the opposite, then they ARE irrational.

i agree 100%
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

If anyone completely believes that we must have all abortions available, or the opposite, then they ARE irrational.

I feel the same way about people who think pineapple is a topping for pizza
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

I feel the same way about people who think pineapple is a topping for pizza
Then I'm irrational.

:2razz:
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

1.) nope its a fact and lying about that or showing how uneducated you are on this topic isnt going to change that fact lol Have you actually read the legislation and opponents and supports of it? better yet how about statments from medical orgs on it that are NOT abortion clinics?

oooh i know, if its only my opinion then you can simply tell us all what medical science protocols its based on. And if those protocols already exists why dont they just simply shut down the clinics for breaking the laws/protocols?

oh thats right because what i stated is fact, please stop you are only exposing your posts and how uneducated you are about this topic

2.) see 1, your ignorance on this topic loses and gets destroyed by facts again
tell me that cool line about not understanding that word again lol

3.) already answer this question in post 60

4.) im a proponent and that business does do anything for me I already told you what i gain.

once again your two straw-men get destroyed and fail.

I couldnt careless how much PP makes or any other healthcare provider as long as they follow rules and arent double, triple charging the customer for their services

totally meaningless to the discussion lol keep trying to deflect though its funny

5.) again wrong, its a fact they dont need to get anything

6.) there is monetary incentive to support all healthcare IF thats the business you are in, I however dont see any of that money

are you upset orthopedics makes money too? lol

7.) well thank you again for proving how biased and uneducated on this topic you are. Are you actually trying to claim nobody makes money being against abortion? That might be one of the most uneducated things i heard anybody say on this topic.

yeah no monies, grants. donations are mad from religions or pro-life orgs to anybody ever. No money to be made for certain people that provide pre and post natal care, no money to be made from people that provide family assistance after wards and get grants etc etc etc

wow! now, im not using your illogical argument for myself, just exposing how factually mental inane, dishonest and topically uneducated it is.

but thank you for completely owning your own post.

8.) see 7, im sure it drives SOME, just like it drives SOME abortion opponents . . . meaningless

9.) your purchase of facts isn't needed, i care about both lives this fact will never change
making a women a second class citizen would cheapen life too but you are ok with that lol, sorry again im good with legislation that meets somewhere in the middle.

You factually are not and dont want that, and thats fine, thats your choice.
facts destroy your post again

Let me know when you have an argument that is actually on topic, not a deflection and can be backed up

This is exactly why I stay away from this topic as anything that anyone says who is anti abortion is a lie or from someone uneducated. You are going to have to reconcile your position some day and that is my last word on the subject. I get nothing out of my support for elimination of abortions other than my zest and love for life. Millions of abortions has prevented the potential for innovative and creative, hard working people to enter this society and that is a travesty. I am done with this topic
 
Back
Top Bottom