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Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional [W:167:202:330]

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TheNextEra said:
I have and NO conservative law maker takes it up. So when are YOU going to advocate to YOUR precious GOP to do that? Afterall personal responsibility is for BOTH right?
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First of all I am a conservative not a Republican and have voted for more Democrats than you have probably voted Republican. Neither the GOP or the Democratic Party are precious to me. I support personal responsibility period and since it takes two to make a baby that includes responsibility for both men and women. You seem to not understand that concept. I have always advocated personal responsibility from conception to birth and beyond. There are services available to a pregnant woman that handles financial responsibility for the woman. I have no problem holding the man responsible for that financial responsibility. Think that will cut the number of abortions?
 
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Conservative said:
There are services available to a pregnant woman that handles financial responsibility for the woman. I have no problem holding the man responsible for that financial responsibility. Think that will cut the number of abortions?
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Yeah right, you would really vote Dem if the GOP doubled the debt, had a crashing economy, etc. Oh wait, that DID happen and you STILL voted GOP. Sorry, but you have the credibility of Bill Clinton.

I think that if you are going to try and make a law LEGALLY binding to the woman DURING pregnancy, you should also make a law LEGALLY binding to the man during pregnancy. Until that happens, I will in no way support what the GOP is doing ONLY going after the woman with laws.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yeah right, you would really vote Dem if the GOP doubled the debt, had a crashing economy, etc. Oh wait, that DID happen and you STILL voted GOP. Sorry, but you have the credibility of Bill Clinton.

I think that if you are going to try and make a law LEGALLY binding to the woman DURING pregnancy, you should also make a law LEGALLY binding to the man during pregnancy. Until that happens, I will in no way support what the GOP is doing ONLY going after the woman with laws.
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LOL, you are obviously a legend in your own mind all knowing and all caring. You have no idea what you are talking about and making wild claims on a message board simply have no consequences but do make you a waste of time.

I am waiting for you to tell me who I should have voted for in Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. think either Gore or Kerry wouldn't have made the debt worse than Bush and the Congress? We have seen what Obama has done with the Democrat controlled Congress so why would it be any different with President Gore or President Kerry? All you do is whine and complain from the sidelines.

Where are the Democrats on the issue of legal binding for the man or the woman? The Democrat answer is just kill the living being if that is what you want to do. where are the Republicans going after women only? It is a personal responsibility issue and unless it is rape or incest how is the woman not responsible for making the choice to have sex? Don't think a man can have sex alone
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, you are obviously a legend in your own mind all knowing and all caring. You have no idea what you are talking about and making wild claims on a message board simply have no consequences but do make you a waste of time.
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Nope, I'm spot on.

Conservative said:
I am waiting for you to tell me who I should have voted for in Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. think either Gore or Kerry wouldn't have made the debt worse than Bush and the Congress? We have seen what Obama has done with the Democrat controlled Congress so why would it be any different with President Gore or President Kerry? All you do is whine and complain from the sidelines.
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According to YOUR values you should have voted Dem (or third party) since the GOP had screwed up. But you voted along party lines. I'm quite sure BOTH would have raised the debt, which brings us to the logically conclusion that BOTH the Dem/Rep are into big government and raising debt. however, sheeple such as yourself continue the path of destruction.

Conservative said:
Where are the Democrats on the issue of legal binding for the man or the woman? The Democrat answer is just kill the living being if that is what you want to do. where are the Republicans going after women only? It is a personal responsibility issue and unless it is rape or incest how is the woman not responsible for making the choice to have sex? Don't think a man can have sex alone
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The Dems in wanting Pro-Choice are wanting the govenrment OUT of it for the man and woman as much as society will allow. The GOP wants ONLY the woman to be LEGALLY binded to the pregnancy and gives the man a free pass during the pregnancy. Child support laws AFTER the birth are applied to BOTH the man and woman so you can't use child support as an excuse.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) you are welcome to this opinion but thats all it is.
millions of people feel obligated and are driven by their morals to have an abortion what makes your morals factually better than theirs
2.) another opinion that is simply set up by your subjective standards that deem ok but the rest evil.
there are many that think any abortion is evil and view you as evil and sinful, what do you think of those people? are they right?
3.) this is simply unrealistic and has never been done throughout time
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When killing an unborn child is morally correct to, you've lost all grounds in morality.
Abortion, is murder covered under the false flag of "choice"
 
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MrVicchio said:
When killing an unborn child is morally correct to, you've lost all grounds in morality.
Abortion, is murder covered under the false flag of "choice"
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You can call it murder all you want, you can also say the sun rises in the north and sets in the south, however in both cases you would be wrong. You're free to your own opinions, but you're not free to your own facts. FACT is abortion is not murder, at least right now.
 
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TheNextEra;1062568122]Nope, I'm spot on.
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Your opinion noted

According to YOUR values you should have voted Dem (or third party) since the GOP had screwed up. But you voted along party lines. I'm quite sure BOTH would have raised the debt, which brings us to the logically conclusion that BOTH the Dem/Rep are into big government and raising debt. however, sheeple such as yourself continue the path of destruction.
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Wrong, I looked at resumes and results. The Bush resume and results in 2004 were nowhere near what you claim and in fact the economy was beginning to boom as the BLS and BEA data show. 1 trillion of the debt was due to 9/11 and both the Gore and Kerry resumes would never garner the support of any conservative. You ought to know that. I didn't by the way vote for Bush in 2008

Path of destruction? Yes, Obama took office with a 10.6 trillion debt that is now 17.1 and his proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget shows no interest in lowering that debt. He has the worst recovery in history and zero leadership skills so the new liberal normal is high debt, high unemployment, low economic growth, and a massive central govt. creating dependence. Yes, that is liberalism which I reject. By the way, didn't vote for Obama either due to his resume and the results show that I was right.


The Dems in wanting Pro-Choice are wanting the govenrment OUT of it for the man and woman as much as society will allow. The GOP wants ONLY the woman to be LEGALLY binded to the pregnancy and gives the man a free pass during the pregnancy. Child support laws AFTER the birth are applied to BOTH the man and woman so you can't use child support as an excuse.
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The Dems aren't proposing any such thing, abortion on demand paid for by the taxpayers. You really have a distorted, biased opinion and ignore reality.
 
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Conservative said:
Your opinion noted
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As yours is.

Conservative said:
Wrong, I looked at resumes and results. The Bush resume and results in 2004 were nowhere near what you claim and in fact the economy was beginning to boom as the BLS and BEA data show. 1 trillion of the debt was due to 9/11 and both the Gore and Kerry resumes would never garner the support of any conservative. You ought to know that. I didn't by the way vote for Bush in 2008
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Nope, the GOP candidate could have a horrible economy, increased government, inreased debt and you STILL would voted for GOP (and have) because of social issues. Sorry you don't like facts, you are not an independent, you are a Republican.

Conservative said:
Path of destruction? Yes, Obama took office with a 10.6 trillion debt that is now 17.1 and his proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget shows no interest in lowering that debt. He has the worst recovery in history and zero leadership skills so the new liberal normal is high debt, high unemployment, low economic growth, and a massive central govt. creating dependence. Yes, that is liberalism which I reject. By the way, didn't vote for Obama either due to his resume and the results show that I was right.
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So then if everyone like you voted for third party we would have REAL change and no more Dem/Rep. Instead you vote the sheeple way along with the other Dem/Rep sheep.


Conservative said:
The Dems aren't proposing any such thing, abortion on demand paid for by the taxpayers. You really have a distorted, biased opinion and ignore reality.
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Yes in that regards I am against what the Dems are doing, however, it isn't forcing a woman to do something while giving a free pass to the man during pregnancy like the GOP supports.
 
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Conservative said:
1.)Well, thank you for allowing me my opinion just like you are entitled to yours.
2.) Neither of us are going to change the other person's mind.
3.) I will be able to reconcile my opinions at some time in the future with "my" God. Good luck with yours.
4.) Life is too precious to destroy and I would know, lost my wife of over 40 years
5.) Because a woman has a legal right doesn't make that a moral right
6.) yes there is such a thing as right and wrong in the real world.
7.) Being legal doesn't change the fact that women killing their baby won't have to reconcile that decision in the future.
8.) You see in the liberal world there are no consequences for bad decisions but at some time in the future there will be.
9.) Thank you again, that is indeed my opinion just like the free will I was given to have that opinion.
2.)There are always consequences for personal decisions, good or bad.
10.) Today's liberals are trying to change that.
11.) People are responsible for the choices they make including to have sex. Simply not wanting responsibility doesn't change the fact that people don't have a choice in that area.
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1.) nice try but wasnt saying you werent free and im not sure what "opinions" i have given you though.
2.) not trying to change your opinion one bit the difference is you want yours forced on other, i do not.
3.) my god is find with my views, so theres no need for luck lol but more importantly to this discussion my god and my views are meaningless to laws
4.) I agree this is way i want BOTH lifes protected not just the life of the ZEF. Ive lost many family members, sorry about yours and have a daughter so yes i respect life and it drives me to respect BOTH lives.
5.) good thing i never made this claim then huh, but continue with the strawman
6.) yes many people have their subjective views or these
7.) not a fact at all this is your opinion
8.) another meaningless opinion

weird you dodged all the questions i asked i wonder why?

9.) yes but you want to take away peoples decision on how they deal with reality
10.) always funny when anybody tries to group people together liberals, conservatives etc it only further exposes their dishonesty and biased. This is not happening.
11.)n yes they are doesnt mean they should have their legal and human rights infringed on based on your opinion
12.) or simply practicing the responsibility that they think is right because your opinion doesnt matter to them. They do have a choice you want it taken away.
 
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TheNextEra said:
As yours is.



Nope, the GOP candidate could have a horrible economy, increased government, inreased debt and you STILL would voted for GOP (and have) because of social issues. Sorry you don't like facts, you are not an independent, you are a Republican.



So then if everyone like you voted for third party we would have REAL change and no more Dem/Rep. Instead you vote the sheeple way along with the other Dem/Rep sheep.




Yes in that regards I am against what the Dems are doing, however, it isn't forcing a woman to do something while giving a free pass to the man during pregnancy like the GOP supports.
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Name for me a successful third party governor? You have this fixation that a third party is the answer when the reality is you build that party from the ground up not the top down and haven't been successful at doing that. Until that happens there is no chance for a third party candidate at the top to be successful and make the changes you want.

The rest of your post is again your opinion. You have no idea as to what the economic results were in 2004 so obviously no understanding why I voted for Bush. You also ignored the Obama resume in 2008 and I can give people the benefit of doubt for voting for Obama in 2008 but not for 2012. That experiment of hiring a Community agitator was a disaster as the results show and still you blame Bush and Republicans. That is what third party supporters always do but the reality is you are nothing more than a malcontent who will always promote ideology over results and reality.
 
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MrVicchio said:
1.)When killing an unborn child is morally correct to, you've lost all grounds in morality.
2.) Abortion, is murder covered under the false flag of "choice"
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1.) more meaningless opinion, theres people that say when you want to infringe on womens legal and human rights forcing her to risk her life that you have lost all grounds in morality? who is factually right? let me guess only you? lol
2.) sorry this is 100% factually wrong

tell me why your morals magically trump others and should be forced on them, you havent answered that
 
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TheNextEra said:
You can call it murder all you want, you can also say the sun rises in the north and sets in the south, however in both cases you would be wrong. You're free to your own opinions, but you're not free to your own facts. FACT is abortion is not murder, at least right now.
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You can hide behind the legal skirt all you want, it doesnt change the fact an unborn, innocent child is brutally murdered for the convience of a selfish woman. (Yes I know there are forced abortions and THAT is both wrong and a different matter)
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) nice try but wasnt saying you werent free and im not sure what "opinions" i have given you though.
2.) not trying to change your opinion one bit the difference is you want yours forced on other, i do not.
3.) my god is find with my views, so theres no need for luck lol but more importantly to this discussion my god and my views are meaningless to laws
4.) I agree this is way i want BOTH lifes protected not just the life of the ZEF. Ive lost many family members, sorry about yours and have a daughter so yes i respect life and it drives me to respect BOTH lives.
5.) good thing i never made this claim then huh, but continue with the strawman
6.) yes many people have their subjective views or these
7.) not a fact at all this is your opinion
8.) another meaningless opinion

weird you dodged all the questions i asked i wonder why?

9.) yes but you want to take away peoples decision on how they deal with reality
10.) always funny when anybody tries to group people together liberals, conservatives etc it only further exposes their dishonesty and biased. This is not happening.
11.)n yes they are doesnt mean they should have their legal and human rights infringed on based on your opinion
12.) or simply practicing the responsibility that they think is right because your opinion doesnt matter to them. They do have a choice you want it taken away.
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So, "your" god is fine with your opinion? interesting that you know what "your" god feels about the issue. "My" God believes in life as well as personal responsibility thus giving us free will and then holding us responsible for the choices we make.

I have given my opinion and it will always be for life. I do not support the killing of a human fetus who has done nothing to deserve that verdict.

Abortion is legal in this country and seems to be an epidemic in recent years showing how cheap life is and how there are no consequences for that choice although I know that sometime in the future that choice will require reconciliation

Yes, much of what I post is opinion, but it is opinion based upon my belief that there is right and wrong as well as consequences for all decisions made. Millions of human fetuses are never given that right to have an opinion or to make an impact on society. You are here because your Mom chose life, think about it
 
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Conservative said:
Name for me a successful third party governor? You have this fixation that a third party is the answer when the reality is you build that party from the ground up not the top down and haven't been successful at doing that. Until that happens there is no chance for a third party candidate at the top to be successful and make the changes you want.

The rest of your post is again your opinion. You have no idea as to what the economic results were in 2004 so obviously no understanding why I voted for Bush. You also ignored the Obama resume in 2008 and I can give people the benefit of doubt for voting for Obama in 2008 but not for 2012. That experiment of hiring a Community agitator was a disaster as the results show and still you blame Bush and Republicans. That is what third party supporters always do but the reality is you are nothing more than a malcontent who will always promote ideology over results and reality.
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No if I were a malcontent promoting ideology, I would vote Dem/Rep. Instead I choose a different path other than sheeple. You are a Republican and there is no escaping that. I don't need to write a paragraph to explain that one. It's clear to everyone that you have no intention of doing anything other than voting Republican regardless of results.
 
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MrVicchio said:
You can hide behind the legal skirt all you want, it doesnt change the fact an unborn, innocent child is brutally murdered for the convience of a selfish woman. (Yes I know there are forced abortions and THAT is both wrong and a different matter)
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I'm hiding behind nothing, the law is the law and defintions have meaning. The fact is abortion is not murder, at least right now. The plain simple fact is you are incorrect at this time calling abortion murder. That is FACT.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No if I were a malcontent promoting ideology, I would vote Dem/Rep. Instead I choose a different path other than sheeple. You are a Republican and there is no escaping that. I don't need to write a paragraph to explain that one. It's clear to everyone that you have no intention of doing anything other than voting Republican regardless of results.
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So the answer is there hasn't been a successful third party Governor? So that being the case how would a third party candidate govern at the top as President since we have no successful third party governor?

Results matter but like with all results you ignore them. I have posted over and over again the results that led me to vote for Bush in 2004 and Romney in 2012. None of those results matter. I posted the Obama resume in 2008 but that was ignored as well and I voted for McCain because of that Obama resume. I have been proven right in all three cases.
 
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Conservative said:
So the answer is there hasn't been a successful third party Governor? So that being the case how would a third party candidate govern at the top as President since we have no successful third party governor?

Results matter but like with all results you ignore them. I have posted over and over again the results that led me to vote for Bush in 2004 and Romney in 2012. None of those results matter. I posted the Obama resume in 2008 but that was ignored as well and I voted for McCain because of that Obama resume. I have been proven right in all three cases.
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Yes results matter, under the Dem/Rep rule, the government has INCREASED, the debt has INCREASED, the employment has DECREASED. Yes, results matter, except to you. You vote Republican no matter what.

There has been no successful third party because the majority of this country are sheeple and continue the Dem/Rep way of destruction.
 
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ecofarm said:
Rights can only be infringed when balanced against each other. That's how law works. If you ask the question "what about the death penalty", then you have conceded personhood of the fetus. Given personhood, its right to life trumps the woman's right to her body. Could a Siamese Twin have the other killed without there being a threat to its own life?
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No, *I* dont have to concede that personhood. Only those that DO see the fetus as a baby and the procedure as 'killing' need to do that. So I can use that comparison for those people as it highlights a hypocrisy. It's no such thing for me.


And the rights are balanced against each other...the fetus's life against the mother's. THe risk to her life is very real, statistically, and neither you nor the govt has the right to TELL her to take that risk.
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, the death penalty is prescribed by law for the actions taken by an individual for committing a heinous crime. What exactly did the living fetus do to deserve death?
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As posted earlier, a fetus cannot form intent and cannot act so is neither guilty nor innocent. It deserves nothing.
 
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ecofarm said:
Exactly. So, we can stop pretending that killing a murderer is the same as killing those without guilt?




While cognition is not required to establish a fetus 'not guilty', it is interesting to note that cognition occurs far earlier and to a far greater extent than recently believed.
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Your 'interesting note' is not relevant. And ignores my question about how something in a coma-like state can feel pain.
 
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ChezC3 said:
I obviously would say that it is a false choice. To give a quick run down I'm against the death penalty, against abortion, against war, against all forms of aggressive violence. I do believe you have a right to self defense. If you're life is in danger you do have a right to protecting it. Which would be the only time I view abortion as acceptable -- The woman's life (not pocketbook) is in danger.

The woman never, never, never, (never?) NEVER has the "right" to take a life if that life isn't threatening her life (again life not pocketbook or lifestyle).

The constitution also allowed and was protected by the SCOTUS for slavery, does this mean slavery is cool too? So the law of the land argument isn't gong to work.

The problem I have most times with the opposing view point, like I am gleaning from yours is you think that this pregnancy is something that happened to you, as if you had no part. Now, you can come back with rape and that's all fine and dandy, that's a helluva problem, I'll admit, however it has nothing to to with the fundamental understanding that life does begin at conception.
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I admire your consistent beliefs. (no sarcasm)

Do you believe that a woman that has been raped or forced in incest should be forced to bear a child from those acts?

Pregnancy is just a condition....are you suggesting that the act of becoming pregnant is wrong? Deserving of some kind of punishment?
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes results matter, under the Dem/Rep rule, the government has INCREASED, the debt has INCREASED, the employment has DECREASED. Yes, results matter, except to you. You vote Republican no matter what.

There has been no successful third party because the majority of this country are sheeple and continue the Dem/Rep way of destruction.
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Never in modern history has the debt exceeded the annual GDP until Obama and Democrats took office. Reagan increased the debt 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years yet increased employment by 17 million. Some would say that is a good return on investment. Bush increased Employment over 9 million in 7 years and the labor force 10 million until the Democrats took control of the Congress and some would say that was a good return on investment. Debt increased 3.5 trillion over those 7 years and one trillion of it was due to 9/11.

Guess it is easier for you to believe what you are told versus actually doing research. Spouting rhetoric however without verifying it makes you look and sound foolish. You see, you want badly to believe what you are told. suggest you learn how to do research, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury website.
 
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Lursa said:
As posted earlier, a fetus cannot form intent and cannot act so is neither guilty nor innocent. It deserves nothing.
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Yep, your opinion noted, guess personal responsibility is out of the question in your world as well. A fetus is a living being that you have a problem giving the same opportunity your mother gave you.
 
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Lursa said:
No, *I* dont have to concede that personhood.
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You do if you ask the question: "what about the death penalty". Therein, you have made such a concession. That was a dumb argument, illegitimate and counter-productive; I'm demonstrating such.

And the rights are balanced against each other...the fetus's life against the mother's. THe risk to her life is very real, statistically, and neither you nor the govt has the right to TELL her to take that risk.
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No one - not even the most foaming religious fundie nutbag - argues the strawman you are presenting.


Lursa said:
Your 'interesting note' is not relevant. And ignores my question about how something in a coma-like state can feel pain.
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Coma-like
 
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Conservative said:
Never in modern history has the debt exceeded the annual GDP until Obama and Democrats took office. Reagan increased the debt 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years yet increased employment by 17 million. Some would say that is a good return on investment. Bush increased Employment over 9 million in 7 years and the labor force 10 million until the Democrats took control of the Congress and some would say that was a good return on investment. Debt increased 3.5 trillion over those 7 years and one trillion of it was due to 9/11.

Guess it is easier for you to believe what you are told versus actually doing research. Spouting rhetoric however without verifying it makes you look and sound foolish. You see, you want badly to believe what you are told. suggest you learn how to do research, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury website.
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Debt has continued to increase whether it is a Dem or Rep in charge. Nothing can change that fact. If a Rep gets in the WH for 2016, I'd bet money that they too will INCREASE the debt and you will continue to make excuses. But then I wouldn't expect anything less from a Republican such as yourself or a Dem. Jobs were shedding at record rates under Bush at the end.

I have done my research, it's clear you haven't. You make excuses for YOUR side.
 
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