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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It is not a "potential" life. It is a living, growing human. It is an actual life. Is there any other situation where you get to judge, arbitrarily, what life is worthy of continuation, and what isn't?
    Yes, pretty much everything that you have control over in your own life. Except for the life of another individual that is already born.

    As already posted, there are no laws that allow us to kill a person to take their liver to save another.

    No laws that allow us to kill a toddler that is the product of rape to protect the mother from extreme mental anguish.

    And yet almost ALL states and laws allow this and even most pro-lifers recognize it as the moral thing to do in the case of abortion, even if unpleasant. This means that the rights of the fetus are NOT equal to the rights of those already born.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not as cut and dry as that as evidenced by the multitude of legal battles involving parents refusing care for minor children for religious reasons. The Sciavo case, and many others.

    You are attempting to over simplify.
    LOL

    You claim that a fetus has the same right to life as a woman, period, and *we're* oversimplifying?

    LOL
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not as cut and dry as that as evidenced by the multitude of legal battles involving parents refusing care for minor children for religious reasons. The Sciavo case, and many others.

    You are attempting to over simplify.

    People with power of attorney, guardians, etc all have the right to make 'life or death' decisions for a person who cannot form intent or is incompetent.

    The mother is unquestionably the person with that decision-making power for a fetus. (and fetus is not even a person)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You're entitled to believe anything you wish. Good day...
    I just wish people could be adult enough...and recognize our American Constitution over their own *personal* beliefs when it comes to OTHER people.

    There's nothing wrong with holding your personal beliefs, it's the trying to impose them on the rest of society (when unConstitutional) that is clearly wrong.

    As Mark and a few others have done....and I have in other forums/threads....to express your opinion or belief but recognize that it is not the way our society is meant to work.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    People with power of attorney, guardians, etc all have the right to make 'life or death' decisions for a person who cannot form intent or is incompetent.
    All this is granted through specific legal action, it is not granted automatically.

    The mother is unquestionably the person with that decision-making power for a fetus. (and fetus is not even a person)
    I disagree. No life should be taken without due process of law.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL

    You claim that a fetus has the same right to life as a woman, period, and *we're* oversimplifying?

    LOL
    I claim that all human life is equal, no one superior, or more deserving than another.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Did you learn English with a dictionary where "basic" meant relying on complete falsehoods?

    Banning abortion does not infringe on anyone's rights.

    Apparently you need some type of reference material to understand this. Try again? It's hard to dumb it down further.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    At it's most basic, the crux of the matter comes down to the fact that you cannot do anything about the unborn without infringing on the rights of the woman. And as a society and legally, we have recognized...even if we dont like it...that the fetus's rights do not supersede the woman's.

    Many women, pregnant but with life-threatening diseases, choose the life of the fetus over their own. Does anyone attempt to deprive her of THAT choice?

    As a society, and legally, we have acknowledged that the fetus is not equal. Even many pro-lifers recognize this: it's acceptable to terminate the fetus to save the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest. And she is absolved of guilt. Why?

    Same examples:
    --do we, in America, have any laws that allow us to kill a person (born) to take their liver to save another person? No, we dont even allow that with convicted felons who have already had some of their Constitutional rights taken away.

    --do we allow the killing of a toddler that is the product of rape or incest to protect the mother from mental anquish?

    I know of no such laws. And no such recognition by society.
    Clearly, the fetus does not have an equal right to life with individuals that are already born.

    Not only that, pregnancy is a real risk to life and long-term health of the woman. To take that risk...the right to life...that should only be her choice, no one else's.

    Would you allow strangers or the govt. to demand that you take a risk to your life or long-term health that you didnt believe in? Isnt that a direct infringement on your rights?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    All this is granted through specific legal action, it is not granted automatically.



    I disagree. No life should be taken without due process of law.
    Of course it is granted automatically....in every case for a parent. Unless the courts have removed the child from their custody.

    You claim it's a 'baby' and she's a 'mother'. Hence she does have that legal right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)It is a form of acceptance, in my opinion.
    2.) Morals are the parent of rights. They are anything but meaningless.
    3.) No. The fact always stands. The context used to interpret it gives it meaning. To someone not aware of the whole, that interpretation can be made to mean something other than what the facts actually represent. That's government and media spin, really.
    4.)It is though. Morals/Opinions begat Rights begat Laws. All interconnected.
    5.)If not, what?
    6.) Someone has to determine reasonable, and someone will always disagree.

    7.)You seem relatively tame for a evil,jail-worthy, slave-owning, Hitler...
    1.) but its not acceptance at all its just knowing. I know some states still deny equal rights to gays, i dont accept it.
    2.) no they are meaningless when talking about current rights and laws. Some morals and and some rights and laws line up but all morals arent laws and rights nor will they ever be nor should the be in a free country like the US
    3.) which would negate the fact.
    2+2= 4
    if somebody interprets that two is actually 3 then there goes the factuality

    but i do agree people do TRY and spin stuff all the time and uneducated people and people that simply dont care and people that like the spin batter go with the fallacy but at the end of the day it doesnt change the facts.

    4.) they simply are not see #2 some of then line up, most do not, they never will nor should they. Morals are subjective so it will never happen.
    5.) its not two sides, its many sides
    heck there are pro-lifers that tell other prolifers they arent pro-lifers, who is right?

    at minumum there are 3 groups, totally unlimited abortion, totally banned abortion and then people in the middle.

    the hilarious part is the people in the middle which is the biggest group, SOME of them have themselves convinced they are so different and that many in the group are so opposite of them and evil. the whole thing is pretty funny. Its a denial of reality. Its a negation of factuality just like i was talking about earlier.

    6.) I agree but unless we are talking about changing rights and the constitution thats are starting point in this country. But you are right somebody will ALWAYS disagree and thats not the part i have a problem with, its the disguising of there disagreement under false terms.

    7.) tell me about lol

    not to mention, isnt it odd that we have discussed this long? what happened werent you told i was just going to attack you? weird. I wonder if it has anythign to do with you just being honest, not lying, posting and identify your opinions and facts separately and just showing integrity whether we agree or not? imagine that! Probably is for some people what we just did is very hard.

    the other funny thing is i remember you were one of the first people on my friends list when i joined years ago and there were things we did not agree on but i still added you for all the reason previously mentioned even if from time to time we do give eachother **** so weird
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I claim that all human life is equal, no one superior, or more deserving than another.
    It's pretty clear what you are claiming.

    However you havent been able to back it up Constitutionally.

    You are welcome to your beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that...just dont attempt to force them on others.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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