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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you know that you cannot take care of the child and there is the option of adoption. How about not having sex in the first place?
    Women know their situation - financially and emotionally. Adoptions is wrong, IMO -it is wrong to pawn one's child off on others to raise.

    Why would I not have sex when *I* have no problem aborting if I were to conceive?

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's wrong with putting the baby up for adoption?
    I am adopted and I would never, EVER inflict that on a child. It is not right to force a child to grow up not knowing who s/he is or where s/he came from.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    With any action comes good or bad consequences except in the liberal world where there are never bad consequences for any action. Never said a thing about sex being bad just that there are consequences good or bad, accept them.


    Exactly...and abortion is a consequence too. Do you think it is an easy decision? Fun? Painless? Without risk?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Right or wrong is not a matter of popular opinion. That's relativistic twaddle.

    That is why we have a Constitution and anything that is protected in that is NOT left up to the majority.

    And it's a matter of personal liberty and women's rights. Those are protected.

    YOU - personally - may live YOUR life as you wish within the confines of the Constitution....which seem quite a bit broader than your personal beliefs. However you may not force others to do so.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course this is very sad and no one knew it was coming. Putting the baby up for adoption was not mentioned as one of the options available in the post I responded to and yet many women exercise that option every day.
    I've mentioned adoption many times as an option. However the post that you responded to here ^^^ is about the risks of pregnancy....which adoption does not allow one to avoid.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Yes, I actually did. You're trying to create a revaluation. You're statement is skewed and it couldn't have the support of Nietzsche, nevermind what it needs. Determining having kids is selfish, following that strain of logic, anything and everything you do can be considered selfish, it is absurd to even go down that path. It is a perfectly reasonable rebuttal to a completely absurd line of reasoning.
    I'll agree with that....however you are the one that introduced it by saying that abortion was selfish. If it's not relevant, then please do not use it as a point in an argument.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    No? and where do you believe laws stem from?

    Morality.

    Agreed upon and codified.
    But not all immoral things are against the law. For example, many types of lying and cheating. It is up to individuals to act or not act, it's called free will and even God granted us that.

    Infringing on a woman's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is also against the law unless she is convicted of a crime. Getting pregnant is not a crime. You have no right to tell her what to do with her body. To do so you have to infringe on her right to privacy to do so.

    And you still cannot explain why our society recognizes allowing termination of a fetus to save a mother's life or to protect her from mental anguish in cases of rape or incest...but that would NEVER be the case with an individual that was already born.

    What is the difference there?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    I am adopted and I would never, EVER inflict that on a child. It is not right to force a child to grow up not knowing who s/he is or where s/he came from.
    I have twin sisters who are adopted (at birth). They knew their mother before that crack whore died of AIDS. THey know their brother and sisters and maintain a relationship with them. They are infinitely better off with my family than her...they were born when she was in jail and ALL of her children have physical and mental issues from her being on drugs.

    They were all fortunate to be adopted, since all had issues. But there are many families that want children that cannot have them....do we need MORE unwanted kids? My sisters' mother was SO irresponsible she couldnt even bother to get abortions.

    Believe me...pregnancy and not giving a ****...continuing to smoke,drink, do drugs....THAT is irresponsible. Not abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    for one your argument is skewed because, blacks, mixed, gays, et al. are allowed to live, and are protected under the law to do so,that's the argument. Further, in a free society, you've got to allow, so long as all people are equal in the eyes of the government, you must allow discrimination between others as it is a matter of free association.

    Women have equal rights, the unborn do not. Re: your second point....no one is forcing you to associate with anyone...if you dont want to have an abortion, or dont want to associate with anyone that had one...then dont.

    You do not have a right to offend. Certainly they do. They're a black spot on society. I live in society, no? Correct, so much so that they should be as far removed from my community as my fellow members of the community see fit.

    Correct, there is no right to offend but there is no right prohibiting it either. Nor is there any Constitutional protection against it. How are women who have abortions a 'black spot on society?' What have their actions wrought in society? And how do you even know if/who have had abortions in your community? If you have to ask, research, look for statistics...and that's the ONLY way you know...then apparently there are no other repercussions to your life.

    Correct, that is why social issues must be localized. Not one size fits all blanket over the nation.

    Sorry, what social issues are 'localized?' We are a diverse society, that is what gives our nation strength. That is what built our nation. So please: tell me what social issues we localize in our society? Honestly, this is the first I've ever heard of such a thing.

    Correct, as you aren't entitled to set up little death camps where ever you please.

    Well how would you even know about it? It does not affect you and you would have to go out of your way to learn about it. If a CHILD goes missing or is abused, the community knows...it misses the child, it sees a child in pain, etc etc etc. How are abortions affecting you?

    As a Federal law, I believe it is a mistake, as a State law I believe it is a mistake -- either for or against.

    Yes, I know.

    The interesting thing here is that for eons counties in certain states have been known to be "Dry". That is, no liquor can be bought or sold within county lines. No one ever seems to be up in arms about this, but yet if you try to use the same principles with abortion, allowing or disallowing something as egregious as this to fall within the county level of government's purview than everyone wants to talk about choice, and it is a great oppression that can't be allowed. (notice I was making a comparative argument over the principles and not abortion v. liquor)

    What? I went to college in PA and they were fighting over dry counties and getting rid of them. And people here in WA St just recently overturned the control of "state liquor stores.' But drinking alcohol is not a Constitutional right. The right to life, libery, and the pursuit of happiness...for those already born....is.


    It is a case where you want to have your ideology spread far and wide, not taking into account other people's attitudes, feelings, and beliefs.

    So again, you are just as much trying to force your attitude and beliefs on others as you claim that others are doing to you. Which is why this and every other social issue must be localized.

    Nope, it's called FREEDOM. People are free to do what they want within the confines of the law, most importantly not infringing on the rights of others. YOUR beliefs offend many....should someone be able to tell you to move somewhere else because they dont like what you believe? If you would like to live somewhere where the govt has control over people's PERSONAL LIVES....there are a few other countries you can check out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    I am adopted and I would never, EVER inflict that on a child. It is not right to force a child to grow up not knowing who s/he is or where s/he came from.

    What makes you think a child, IF HE COULD, chose death over adoption ? And do you think your personal experience is universal to all adopted children ?
    I don't. in fact I know it's not.
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