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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If a woman chooses not to risk her life or long-term health with pregnancy, she does not have to.

    And those are very real risks to any pregnancy.

    My friend's wife, having their 2nd kid....had no known issues leading up to labor. She died in childbirth, baby shortly thereafter. It may be anecdotal, but statistically it is very real.
    Of course this is very sad and no one knew it was coming. Putting the baby up for adoption was not mentioned as one of the options available in the post I responded to and yet many women exercise that option every day.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sex is awesome...why should women not be allowed to choose when and where they have it? That is a moral decision that is different for every person, man or woman. And since she has several responsible options *if* she gets pregnant, keep, adopt, abortion....who are you to suggest she not have sex?
    With any action comes good or bad consequences except in the liberal world where there are never bad consequences for any action. Never said a thing about sex being bad just that there are consequences good or bad, accept them.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Giving? What giving? Giving life? Any organism can reproduce.

    No, you did not actually respond to the statement. My statement was straight forward and doesnt need the philosophical support of Nietzche. I cannot think of any reasons why people choose to have kids that is not selfish, so claiming that abortion is 'selfish' isnt a rebuttal to the discussion.
    Yes, I actually did. You're trying to create a revaluation. You're statement is skewed and it couldn't have the support of Nietzsche, nevermind what it needs. Determining having kids is selfish, following that strain of logic, anything and everything you do can be considered selfish, it is absurd to even go down that path. It is a perfectly reasonable rebuttal to a completely absurd line of reasoning.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    We recognized that blacks were EQUAL to white people and thus had EQUAL rights and slavery was struck down because it was the right thing to do.

    As pointed out already, a fetus does NOT have equal rights with the woman. It is not even born yet and may never reach term. I will post this example again:

    --even most pro-life people recognize the right of the mother to terminate a pregnancy if her own life is in danger or in the cases or rape or incest (yes, I realize that you personally do not).

    --there are no laws in our society that allow an individual to kill another (born) person to save their own life or to save themselves from mental anguish.

    Obviously, it's recognized that the unborn do NOT have equal rights.

    And re: save their own life, it's not about self-defense. That is about someone with *intent* trying to take your life (infringe on your right to life). It's more like you cannot kill someone to take their liver to save your own life.
    Right or wrong is not a matter of popular opinion. That's relativistic twaddle.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Right or wrong is not a matter of popular opinion. That's relativistic twaddle.
    Right or wrong is not a legal issue - something the Moral Fascists who want to ban abortion are unable to understand
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Interesting discussion going on here...

    Personally, I think that abortion is wrong. But I also think denying women the right to choose to have or not have an abortion is wrong.

    So I'm stuck. In the middle. Agreeing with no one.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This is a fascinating point of view that I have never seen applied to abortion. But it is as unConstitutional and discriminatory as things like not allowing blacks to live in your community, gays not to live in your community, or not to allow bi-racial or gay marriages in a community...because (very sadly) there are people that feel those things are abominations as well.

    You do not have a 'right' not to be offended. Such things do not even AFFECT you. And they are personal and are none of your business (which is what Roe vs Wade is based on). Certainly no place for the govt to interfere (I believe the govt shouldnt be involved in marriage, period).

    Not to mention that there are also many people in the community or society that DO NOT feel as you do, we are not a homogeneous society.

    So again...you are entitled to your beliefs and opinions, but not allowed to force them on others. You didnt explicitly say you would vote for such law but it's my impression that you would. I apologize if I'm incorrect.
    for one your argument is skewed because, blacks, mixed, gays, et al. are allowed to live, and are protected under the law to do so,that's the argument. Further, in a free society, you've got to allow, so long as all people are equal in the eyes of the government, you must allow discrimination between others as it is a matter of free association.

    You do not have a right to offend. Certainly they do. They're a black spot on society. I live in society, no? Correct, so much so that they should be as far removed from my community as my fellow members of the community see fit.

    Correct, that is why social issues must be localized. Not one size fits all blanket over the nation.

    Correct, as you aren't entitled to set up little death camps where ever you please.

    As a Federal law, I believe it is a mistake, as a State law I believe it is a mistake -- either for or against.

    The interesting thing here is that for eons counties in certain states have been known to be "Dry". That is, no liquor can be bought or sold within county lines. No one ever seems to be up in arms about this, but yet if you try to use the same principles with abortion, allowing or disallowing something as egregious as this to fall within the county level of government's purview than everyone wants to talk about choice, and it is a great oppression that can't be allowed. (notice I was making a comparative argument over the principles and not abortion v. liquor)

    It is a case where you want to have your ideology spread far and wide, not taking into account other people's attitudes, feelings, and beliefs.

    So again, you are just as much trying to force your attitude and beliefs on others as you claim that others are doing to you. Which is why this and every other social issue must be localized.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Right or wrong is not a legal issue - something the Moral Fascists who want to ban abortion are unable to understand
    No? and where do you believe laws stem from?

    Morality.

    Agreed upon and codified.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    No? and where do you believe laws stem from?

    Morality.

    Agreed upon and codified.
    It comes from something the Moral Fascists like to forget about - a little thing called the constitution
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It comes from something the Moral Fascists like to forget about - a little thing called the constitution
    Which, in a way, was morality agreed upon and codified.
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