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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And that statement was made to further the argument that abortion is not murder. It is unsurprising that you choose to focus on a petty detail while ignoring the greater issue
    I'm not ignoring the issue. Being 1) I directly addressed the argument 2) pointed out how it's use towards abortion is totally debatable


    Lobotomies are not inhumane or barbarous.
    I really see no point in arguing with you about it, so we will just agree to disagree

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you know that you cannot take care of the child and there is the option of adoption. How about not having sex in the first place?

    Sex is awesome...why should women not be allowed to choose when and where they have it? That is a moral decision that is different for every person, man or woman. And since she has several responsible options *if* she gets pregnant, keep, adopt, abortion....who are you to suggest she not have sex?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's wrong with putting the baby up for adoption?
    If a woman chooses not to risk her life or long-term health with pregnancy, she does not have to.

    And those are very real risks to any pregnancy.

    My friend's wife, having their 2nd kid....had no known issues leading up to labor. She died in childbirth, baby shortly thereafter. It may be anecdotal, but statistically it is very real.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post


    I don't want to forbid a woman from making her own decision, but I do want to allow communities who find this practice to be an abomination the ability to have it as far removed from their society as those who agree with them can allow.

    Since you want to read into my arguments, I'll help you by letting you know the implication here is that those who do want to allow this in their commmunity also have a right to do so, but in no way do they have a right to thrust upon another individual or community something which conflicts with their conscience. Bottom line is that this like all social issues needs to be dealt with at the lowest levels of government,(i.e. local, municipal, county)

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    This is a fascinating point of view that I have never seen applied to abortion. But it is as unConstitutional and discriminatory as things like not allowing blacks to live in your community, gays not to live in your community, or not to allow bi-racial or gay marriages in a community...because (very sadly) there are people that feel those things are abominations as well.

    You do not have a 'right' not to be offended. Such things do not even AFFECT you. And they are personal and are none of your business (which is what Roe vs Wade is based on). Certainly no place for the govt to interfere (I believe the govt shouldnt be involved in marriage, period).

    Not to mention that there are also many people in the community or society that DO NOT feel as you do, we are not a homogeneous society.

    So again...you are entitled to your beliefs and opinions, but not allowed to force them on others. You didnt explicitly say you would vote for such law but it's my impression that you would. I apologize if I'm incorrect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You are attempting to bring back the constitutional argument which I will slap down once again by illustrating that slavery was once a constitutionally protected institution which is now no more.



    Life is life. But look here, you just presented the same reasoning you accused others of using as a common theme who are in opposition to your beliefs which I illustrated the correction to above. ha!

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    We recognized that blacks were EQUAL to white people and thus had EQUAL rights and slavery was struck down because it was the right thing to do.

    As pointed out already, a fetus does NOT have equal rights with the woman. It is not even born yet and may never reach term. I will post this example again:

    --even most pro-life people recognize the right of the mother to terminate a pregnancy if her own life is in danger or in the cases or rape or incest (yes, I realize that you personally do not).

    --there are no laws in our society that allow an individual to kill another (born) person to save their own life or to save themselves from mental anguish.

    Obviously, it's recognized that the unborn do NOT have equal rights.

    And re: save their own life, it's not about self-defense. That is about someone with *intent* trying to take your life (infringe on your right to life). It's more like you cannot kill someone to take their liver to save your own life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Should we make it illegal for men to spill their seed solo? Isn't that the destruction of life? The second sperm inseminates an egg it is suddenly a baby? ... but not before?

    From that moment until 9 months later is a spectrum. Halting the process in the early stages is not murdering a baby.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post

    Re: abortion [being] for selfish reasons. Aside from an unplanned pregnancy, there is no reason people have kids that is not selfish. No one has kids to 'help populate society.'
    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post

    Yes, yes, giving is a selfish endeavor too, I've read all about the revaluations of values, and understood Nietzsche allot more thoroughly than you I'm afraid...
    Giving? What giving? Giving life? Any organism can reproduce.

    No, you did not actually respond to the statement. My statement was straight forward and doesnt need the philosophical support of Nietzche. I cannot think of any reasons why people choose to have kids that is not selfish, so claiming that abortion is 'selfish' isnt a rebuttal to the discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

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