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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) It is relevant to the claim that abortion is murder because abortion fits neither definition of murder
    the claim I was addressing was that "murder" was solely a legal term ...

    2) No, it does not. Medical procedures are neither inhumane nor barbarous. Neither is abortion
    Something being labeled a medical procedure does not mean it cannot be rightly labeled "inhumane" or "barbarous". A great example of this would be lobotomy

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the claim I was addressing was that "murder" was solely a legal term ...



    Something being labeled a medical procedure does not mean it cannot be rightly labeled "inhumane" or "barbarous". A great example of this would be lobotomy
    1) Abortion is not murder by any definition of the words.

    2) We are not talking about lobotomy. Abortion is neither inhumane or barbarous
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Your opinion and feelings on the issue are very understandable altho I mostly disagree. I DO respect a woman enough to believe she should have that choice and not be found guilty on this world for it. And YES, God will decide someday. OTOH, as a Christian, I also believe God will understand, forgive, and keep that unborn life just fine.
    I make it point to keep religion out of these types of discussions. But I will say your reward or recompense is between you and your God, has nothing to do with me, and I'm no one to say what the hereafter has in store for you. This doesn't mean however that I must be silent about what is right or wrong in the here and now.

    To make that 'tough' decision for yourself or a woman for herself...is a personal decision. No woman that does not want to make that decision would be forced to.

    But to forbid a woman...or want to forbid her....to make her own decisions here is wrong and judgemental IMO. Terrible circumstances or circumstances that may change her life for herself and future children someday....those are for HER to decide, MORALLY and legally IMO. And certainly Constitutionally.
    I don't want to forbid a woman from making her own decision, but I do want to allow communities who find this practice to be an abomination the ability to have it as far removed from their society as those who agree with them can allow.

    Since you want to read into my arguments, I'll help you by letting you know the implication here is that those who do want to allow this in their commmunity also have a right to do so, but in no way do they have a right to thrust upon another individual or community something which conflicts with their conscience. Bottom line is that this like all social issues needs to be dealt with at the lowest levels of government,(i.e. local, municipal, county)

    And you just referred to getting pregnant as a crime...therefore once again considering a baby 'punishment.' That is a common theme among people who use religion or other personal beliefs rather than Constitutional rights to judge women. Today's women 'can do the time.' "The time" includes legal abortion which is not murder. It is a responsible option, even tho you do not like it.
    Actually, I only made a well known expression that indicates be prepared for the effect which stems from a cause you created. But if I was to have meant it the way you are presenting it it would be sex not pregnancy that is the crime. Which is just silly. And actually identifying pregnancy as a punishment is the popular argument of pro-abortionists not pro-lifers as you claim, because they view pregnancy as an unwelcome consequence to their behavior which the shouldn't have to suffer for for the next 18 years.

    You are attempting to bring back the constitutional argument which I will slap down once again by illustrating that slavery was once a constitutionally protected institution which is now no more.

    Some people choose to attach unnatural emotion and significance to developing life inside complete strangers. Developing life that MAY NEVER even be born. It's more about punishing women than saving lives. I believe in quality of life, not quantity.
    Life is life. But look here, you just presented the same reasoning you accused others of using as a common theme who are in opposition to your beliefs which I illustrated the correction to above. ha!

    Re: abortion for selfish reasons. Aside from an unplanned pregnancy, there is no reason people have kids that is not selfish. No one has kids to 'help populate society.'
    Yes, yes, giving is a selfish endeavor too, I've read all about the revaluations of values, and understood Nietzsche allot more thoroughly than you I'm afraid...

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    [QUOTE=sangha;1062571422]1) Abortion is not murder by any definition of the words.[quote]

    Why do you insist on being a complete waste of time for other posters here? Again, the claim I was responding to was that "murder" was solely a legal term 2) as pointed out, how one would define abortion is highly dependent on the debatable point of how you view the fetus.

    2) We are not talking about lobotomy. Abortion is neither inhumane or barbarous
    Irrelevant: you claimed medical procedures "are neither inhumane nor barbarous". To show that you were clearly wrong I cited a medical procedure that was "inhumane or barbarous"

    Since this is all rather obvious, I can only assume this is just more of you intentionally wasting peoples time, pan-handling for attention.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) It is relevant to the claim that abortion is murder because abortion fits neither definition of murder

    2) No, it does not. Medical procedures are neither inhumane nor barbarous. Neither is abortion
    1. But again, to repeat Dr. Cís post to which youíre responding, it is irrelevant to the claim that murder is solely a legal term.

    2. Here, you are responding to the opinion that oneís view of the fetus influences whether you regard abortion as murder. You know that this is so; this is rather a large "duh" in the abortion debate.

    And you also know that medical procedures can be inhumane and barbarous and that lobotomy is a good example. Not sure why you're doing this, but you aren't responding reasonably to what Chuckles is saying.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Having an abortion when one cannot or will not properly care for a child IS taking responsibility. It is NOT responsible to birth a child you cannot or will not care for or to pawn it off on others to raise.
    How do you know that you cannot take care of the child and there is the option of adoption. How about not having sex in the first place?

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) Abortion is not murder by any definition of the words.
    You are lying again. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/us...of-murder.html
    2) We are not talking about lobotomy. Abortion is neither inhumane or barbarous
    See above.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Having an abortion when one cannot or will not properly care for a child IS taking responsibility. It is NOT responsible to birth a child you cannot or will not care for or to pawn it off on others to raise.
    What's wrong with putting the baby up for adoption?

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    The bottom line remains that the OP as stated is false -- the Texas abortion limits are not unconstitutional.

    They are states' rights.

    The SCOTUS by a 5-4 decision upheld them.

    Only the more liberal extreme SCOTUS judges voted against the Roe and Webster secured states' rights.

    Clearly these four liberal extreme SCOTUS judges should be impeached for their unconstitutional vote, for their disrespect of Roe and Webster, and for their immoral regard for the lives of prenatal humans.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    WASHINGTON (AP) — A sharply divided Supreme Court on Tuesday allowed Texas to continue enforcing abortion restrictions that opponents say have led more than a third of the state's clinics to stop providing abortions.

    The justices voted 5-4 to leave in effect a provision requiring doctors who perform abortions in clinics to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.
    The court's conservative majority refused the plea of Planned Parenthood and several Texas abortion clinics to overturn a preliminary federal appeals court ruling that allowed the provision to take effect.

    True, but it doesn't look like SCOTUS will overturn the law.

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