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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No if I were a malcontent promoting ideology, I would vote Dem/Rep. Instead I choose a different path other than sheeple. You are a Republican and there is no escaping that. I don't need to write a paragraph to explain that one. It's clear to everyone that you have no intention of doing anything other than voting Republican regardless of results.
    So the answer is there hasn't been a successful third party Governor? So that being the case how would a third party candidate govern at the top as President since we have no successful third party governor?

    Results matter but like with all results you ignore them. I have posted over and over again the results that led me to vote for Bush in 2004 and Romney in 2012. None of those results matter. I posted the Obama resume in 2008 but that was ignored as well and I voted for McCain because of that Obama resume. I have been proven right in all three cases.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

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    So the answer is there hasn't been a successful third party Governor? So that being the case how would a third party candidate govern at the top as President since we have no successful third party governor?

    Results matter but like with all results you ignore them. I have posted over and over again the results that led me to vote for Bush in 2004 and Romney in 2012. None of those results matter. I posted the Obama resume in 2008 but that was ignored as well and I voted for McCain because of that Obama resume. I have been proven right in all three cases.
    Yes results matter, under the Dem/Rep rule, the government has INCREASED, the debt has INCREASED, the employment has DECREASED. Yes, results matter, except to you. You vote Republican no matter what.

    There has been no successful third party because the majority of this country are sheeple and continue the Dem/Rep way of destruction.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Rights can only be infringed when balanced against each other. That's how law works. If you ask the question "what about the death penalty", then you have conceded personhood of the fetus. Given personhood, its right to life trumps the woman's right to her body. Could a Siamese Twin have the other killed without there being a threat to its own life?

    No, *I* dont have to concede that personhood. Only those that DO see the fetus as a baby and the procedure as 'killing' need to do that. So I can use that comparison for those people as it highlights a hypocrisy. It's no such thing for me.


    And the rights are balanced against each other...the fetus's life against the mother's. THe risk to her life is very real, statistically, and neither you nor the govt has the right to TELL her to take that risk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, the death penalty is prescribed by law for the actions taken by an individual for committing a heinous crime. What exactly did the living fetus do to deserve death?
    As posted earlier, a fetus cannot form intent and cannot act so is neither guilty nor innocent. It deserves nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Exactly. So, we can stop pretending that killing a murderer is the same as killing those without guilt?




    While cognition is not required to establish a fetus 'not guilty', it is interesting to note that cognition occurs far earlier and to a far greater extent than recently believed.
    Your 'interesting note' is not relevant. And ignores my question about how something in a coma-like state can feel pain.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I obviously would say that it is a false choice. To give a quick run down I'm against the death penalty, against abortion, against war, against all forms of aggressive violence. I do believe you have a right to self defense. If you're life is in danger you do have a right to protecting it. Which would be the only time I view abortion as acceptable -- The woman's life (not pocketbook) is in danger.

    The woman never, never, never, (never?) NEVER has the "right" to take a life if that life isn't threatening her life (again life not pocketbook or lifestyle).

    The constitution also allowed and was protected by the SCOTUS for slavery, does this mean slavery is cool too? So the law of the land argument isn't gong to work.

    The problem I have most times with the opposing view point, like I am gleaning from yours is you think that this pregnancy is something that happened to you, as if you had no part. Now, you can come back with rape and that's all fine and dandy, that's a helluva problem, I'll admit, however it has nothing to to with the fundamental understanding that life does begin at conception.
    I admire your consistent beliefs. (no sarcasm)

    Do you believe that a woman that has been raped or forced in incest should be forced to bear a child from those acts?

    Pregnancy is just a condition....are you suggesting that the act of becoming pregnant is wrong? Deserving of some kind of punishment?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes results matter, under the Dem/Rep rule, the government has INCREASED, the debt has INCREASED, the employment has DECREASED. Yes, results matter, except to you. You vote Republican no matter what.

    There has been no successful third party because the majority of this country are sheeple and continue the Dem/Rep way of destruction.
    Never in modern history has the debt exceeded the annual GDP until Obama and Democrats took office. Reagan increased the debt 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years yet increased employment by 17 million. Some would say that is a good return on investment. Bush increased Employment over 9 million in 7 years and the labor force 10 million until the Democrats took control of the Congress and some would say that was a good return on investment. Debt increased 3.5 trillion over those 7 years and one trillion of it was due to 9/11.

    Guess it is easier for you to believe what you are told versus actually doing research. Spouting rhetoric however without verifying it makes you look and sound foolish. You see, you want badly to believe what you are told. suggest you learn how to do research, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury website.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    As posted earlier, a fetus cannot form intent and cannot act so is neither guilty nor innocent. It deserves nothing.
    Yep, your opinion noted, guess personal responsibility is out of the question in your world as well. A fetus is a living being that you have a problem giving the same opportunity your mother gave you.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, *I* dont have to concede that personhood.
    You do if you ask the question: "what about the death penalty". Therein, you have made such a concession. That was a dumb argument, illegitimate and counter-productive; I'm demonstrating such.

    And the rights are balanced against each other...the fetus's life against the mother's. THe risk to her life is very real, statistically, and neither you nor the govt has the right to TELL her to take that risk.
    No one - not even the most foaming religious fundie nutbag - argues the strawman you are presenting.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Your 'interesting note' is not relevant. And ignores my question about how something in a coma-like state can feel pain.
    Coma-like

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Never in modern history has the debt exceeded the annual GDP until Obama and Democrats took office. Reagan increased the debt 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years yet increased employment by 17 million. Some would say that is a good return on investment. Bush increased Employment over 9 million in 7 years and the labor force 10 million until the Democrats took control of the Congress and some would say that was a good return on investment. Debt increased 3.5 trillion over those 7 years and one trillion of it was due to 9/11.

    Guess it is easier for you to believe what you are told versus actually doing research. Spouting rhetoric however without verifying it makes you look and sound foolish. You see, you want badly to believe what you are told. suggest you learn how to do research, bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury website.
    Debt has continued to increase whether it is a Dem or Rep in charge. Nothing can change that fact. If a Rep gets in the WH for 2016, I'd bet money that they too will INCREASE the debt and you will continue to make excuses. But then I wouldn't expect anything less from a Republican such as yourself or a Dem. Jobs were shedding at record rates under Bush at the end.

    I have done my research, it's clear you haven't. You make excuses for YOUR side.

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