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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

    1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

    2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

    Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

    Article is here.
    Supreme Court refuses to block Texas abortion restrictions | Fox News

    So far, you're not doing to well on the whole "Constitutional" bit. Love how you ignored this one.

    The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to block controversial Texas abortion restrictions that have been called some of the strictest in the country and have led a dozen abortion clinics in the state to stop performing the procedure.

    The court by a 5-4 vote denied a request by Planned Parenthood to block a ruling by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, allowing key parts of the Texas abortion law to stay in effect while the lawsuit challenging the restrictions moves forward.
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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again 100% correct which IS the factual issue and why BOTH lives matter and not just one.
    SOrry theres no changing the fact two lives are in the discussion and there's no way to grant equality one will always be the lesser in any decision made.
    That is true...however one has achieved a life while one is only yet 'potential'. It may or may not ever come to fruition.

    Religion has it's place in the argument *personally*..however not to force on others.

    We have no laws that allow the termination of a living (born) human to save another from death (mother's life is in danger) or mental anguish (in cases of rape or incest). This is an acknowledgement that most pro-life proponents accept...and the law does of course.

    So the rights of both are not equal nor should they be. One may never even be born....the woman's rights should not be superseded.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My belief and my God tell me that life begins at conception which means the killing of a human fetus and to me and by all definition that is murder. Because the law doesn't say that doesn't mean that it isn't murder. Nobody can claim that it isn't murder to take the life of a human fetus except the Federal Govt.
    Do you believe that the death penalty is murder?

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Legal abortion doesn't make it any less murder. The term unlawful is the only thing that keeps women and doctors out of jail. That doesn't mean that it isn't murder because it is the premeditated killing of a human being.
    As a devout religious person, you are welcome to your beliefs and may follow them. As an American, the Constitution and our laws supersede personal beliefs to keep those beliefs from infringing on others that do not believe the same.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Lies and games? Why do you think that is? Is life so meaningless to people that support abortion rights for any circumstances? What personal gain does anyone get from opposing abortion? I can give you the gains generated by people who support abortions including the abortion industry.

    I believe in quality of life, not quantity. And personal gain? Less taxpayer $$ out of my pocket (or Texans in this case) to pay for public assistance for children that women cannot afford, court costs for DNA tests and dead-beat dads, the cost to society of women who do not get to fulfill their potential by not completing educations, getting a higher education, not developing a career but ending up in a dead end job, etc. Just a Reader's Digest version.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do you believe that the death penalty is murder?
    Do you believe that innocence and guilt are irrelevant?

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you believe that innocence and guilt are irrelevant?
    In abortion? Yes. Because there is neither.

    In the death penalty? I dont believe in that only because I dont believe it is actually a deterrant (it has not been proven to be). So to me if it doesnt prevent other crimes, it is just revenge. Otherwise, just locking them up for life achieves the same purpose...protects society. Has nothing to do with guilt or sanctity of life for me.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    In abortion? Yes. Because there is neither.

    In the death penalty? I dont believe in that only because I dont believe it is actually a deterrant (it has not been proven to be). So to me if it doesnt prevent other crimes, it is just revenge. Otherwise, just locking them up for life achieves the same purpose...protects society. Has nothing to do with guilt or sanctity of life for me.
    My point was, comparing the killing of the innocent to those otherwise is not legit, it's attempting to corner someone into an absolute they did not claim. At some point, probably around self defense and the defense of others, we all agree that lethal force is justified.

    I'm anti death penalty for the reasons you noted, as well as that capital punishment provides justification for the rationalization of murder and thus actually encourages, promotes and increases murder.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My point was, comparing the killing of the innocent to those otherwise is not legit, it's attempting to corner someone into an absolute they did not claim. At some point, probably around self defense and the defense of others, we all agree that lethal force is justified.

    I'm anti death penalty for the reasons you noted, as well as that capital punishment justifies the rationalization of murder and thus actually encourages, promotes and increases murder.
    Something unborn isnt innocent...it has no way to act or think either way. The religious believe in its innocence but that is as a state of grace.

    Pregnancy...and abortion...are very real risks to a woman's life or health. That choice should remain with the woman, which risks to take. That is not 'guilt' if that was an implication here.

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    Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Something unborn isnt innocent...it has no way to act or think either way.
    Nonsense. It is without guilt. Recent science has shown that a fetus is affected by several hormones that induce a coma-like state, and thus perceiving cognitive ability is not so easy.

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