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NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

mak2 said:
this is probably true. But I doubt it is unique to Obama.
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You forget? He promised the most transparent administration, and one that would make the word love us again.

EPIC FAIL... like all things Obama.

Forgot one in the post above.
O knows Failure.
 
Do you really think international spying should be transparent or that was what he was talking about? These talking points are very monotonous.
zimmer said:
You forget? He promised the most transparent administration, and one that would make the word love us again.

EPIC FAIL... like all things Obama.

Forgot one in the post above.
O knows Failure.
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Again, it's all about teabagger hate for Obama and it's always the same culprits that are promoting it. None of this was even a consideration before Obama and with other presidents who happened to be all white men.
 
zimmer said:
O knows Marx.
O knows Lenin.
O know Wright.
O knows Ayers.
O knows Rezko.
O knows Alinsky.
O knows Prevaricating.

He's been well trained.

You know?
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see this is the problem.

Here you have a perfectly reasonable thing to be upset at Obama about.

This shows a definite failure in leadership and an abysmal attempt at saving face.

And you go on this insane, far right wing rant about absolute nonsense...

You must have a massive bullseye on your foot, cause you shoot it every time you're ahead.
 
I really cant remember exaclty what the right wing is for anymore. All I know is they are antiObama everything. I bet hundreds died of thirst after Michelle Obama came out encouraging increased water intake to improve hydration and nutrition. Comical sometimes.
Jetboogieman said:
see this is the problem.

Here you have a perfectly reasonable thing to be upset at Obama about.

This shows a definite failure in leadership and an abysmal attempt at saving face.

And you go on this insane, far right wing rant about absolute nonsense...

You must have a massive bullseye on your foot, cause you shoot it every time you're ahead.
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mak2 said:
I really cant remember exaclty what the right wing is for anymore. All I know is they are antiObama everything. I bet hundreds died of thirst after Michelle Obama came out encouraging increased water intake to improve hydration and nutrition. Comical sometimes.
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Well... let's see... Obama is a Socialist, he's spending like a drunk in a whore house, he's not come clean on Benghazi, his foreign policy is a mess, ObamaKare is the poster boy of government failure... Oh yeah... he's great.

We're tired of The Incompetent One and the mess he's making.

He seems to know everything, and then nothing. Slipperier than a snake, sleazier than a Clinton, a thug-like character that makes Chicago proud... He's the amazing O.
 
Jetboogieman said:
see this is the problem.

Here you have a perfectly reasonable thing to be upset at Obama about.

This shows a definite failure in leadership and an abysmal attempt at saving face.

And you go on this insane, far right wing rant about absolute nonsense...

You must have a massive bullseye on your foot, cause you shoot it every time you're ahead.
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... a "rant"? ROTFLMFAO...

It's poking fun... and using truth to poke away... O does know these folks...

So uptight he can't stand a little poking at his God.

Jet... when you're on the correct side, the side proven successful, the side of Liberty... you're never behind.
 
A lot of substance right there. Thanks for making my point.
zimmer said:
Well... let's see... Obama is a Socialist, he's spending like a drunk in a whore house, he's not come clean on Benghazi, his foreign policy is a mess, ObamaKare is the poster boy of government failure... Oh yeah... he's great.

We're tired of The Incompetent One and the mess he's making.

He seems to know everything, and then nothing. Slipperier than a snake, sleazier than a Clinton, a thug-like character that makes Chicago proud... He's the amazing O.
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mak2 said:
I really cant remember exaclty what the right wing is for anymore. All I know is they are antiObama everything. I bet hundreds died of thirst after Michelle Obama came out encouraging increased water intake to improve hydration and nutrition. Comical sometimes.
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I don't think anybody killed themselves for lack of water. I think that conservatism is still very alive and well and easy to define but I also think they are being held ransom by the extremist element. It's clear that they are acting on the fear of being primaried by the extremists. It's your political system's fault.
 
When are people going to learn that this president is either ignorant or a liar. He never knows anything about anything that the government is doing. He knew nothing about Benghazi, the IRS, Fast & Furious, etc...
 
Cyrylek said:
Oh, no, this is entirely different. Everybody understands that the CIA and its counterparts everywhere are gathering information on friend and foe. And attempts to obtain latest defense-relevant technology are also expected. "They wouldn't be doing their job".

But tapping the phone of a leader of an allied country means crossing a whole bunch of red lines. It's just not done. Or so we thought.

And what exactly was the purpose? To learn what Angela is going to say in defense of Austerity, and give tips to Paul Krugman, for a pre-emptive rebuttal in his NYT column?

(If it turns out that any kind of information had been leaked, even absolutely by accident, to the German opposition parties - can you imagine the scope of the scandal?)
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According to the reports, this surveillance by the NSA on Merkel goes back to 2002.

I suppose one would have to ask the NSA what was the purpose (I highly doubt the NSA is working for PK since the admin has ignored just about everything PK has suggested).

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/world/europe/data-suggests-push-to-spy-on-merkel-dates-to-02.html
 
Uh lets see, those are made up right wing fantasies. that might be why he did not know about them. F&F started out as a gun grab, what is it now, still no evidence of wrongdoing with Benghazi, IRS thing, remeber the guy coming to the WH to tell Obama about all the evil he was doing to those dang conservatives, you know, instead of just giving him a call?
Grim17 said:
When are people going to learn that this president is either ignorant or a liar. He never knows anything about anything that the government is doing. He knew nothing about Benghazi, the IRS, Fast & Furious, etc...
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Grim17 said:
When are people going to learn that this president is either ignorant or a liar. He never knows anything about anything that the government is doing. He knew nothing about Benghazi, the IRS, Fast & Furious, etc...
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When are ignorant rw extremists aka baggers going to stop being threatened by a black man in the WH?

A: Never.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When are ignorant rw extremists aka baggers going to stop being threatened by a black man in the WH?

A: Never.
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Classic... When confronted with the truth about your Messiah, you play the good ol' race card.

Liberalism... The one trick pony ideology.
 
What do you have of substance to back any of the scandalous claims you make?
Grim17 said:
Classic... When confronted with the truth about your Messiah, you play the good ol' race card.

Liberalism... The one trick pony ideology.
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Grim17 said:
Classic... When confronted with the truth about your Messiah, you play the good ol' race card.

Liberalism... The one trick pony ideology.
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Classic, when confronted with wild a**ed rhetoric, the spewing of more w-a rhetoric continues.

Tell me something, why is it that when I search for comments from you about Snowden's data breach, I come up empty.

Further, when I point out that this NSA program began at least as far back as 2002, I see nothing to temper your comments.
 
mak2 said:
What do you have of substance to back any of the scandalous claims you make?
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What claims?

There are only 2 choices here... Either he is a fool who has no clue what the people under him are doing, or he knows exactly what they're doing and is lying his ass off.

So what's it going to be?
 
mak2 said:
What do you have of substance to back any of the scandalous claims you make?
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Pffft....who says w-a off topic rhetoric baiting requires substance?

It inherently does not.

That is the beauty of w-a-rhetoric.
 
Grim17 said:
What claims?

There are only 2 choices here... Either he is a fool who has no clue what the people under him are doing, or he knows exactly what they're doing and is lying his ass off.

So what's it going to be?
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Seems that would apply to W also....who apparently initiated the program....and conducted from the WH...at least if you are going full w-a, you might as well go all the way.
 
Grim17 said:
Classic... When confronted with the truth about your Messiah, you play the good ol' race card.

Liberalism... The one trick pony ideology.
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Why are you trying to label yourself as a conservative?

Conservatives aren't totally consumed with racism and hate for others. Look up the definition and try to be one for a change.
 
zimmer said:
I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

I howled.

You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
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I really do not know what to make of this. But I do think it is probably worse if the president didn't know than if he did. By not knowing he is letting our security agencies run amok without the proper guidance. If General Alexander didn't tell the president and kept him in the dark, especially when targeting leaders of allies, then he should be fired. I would be more comfortable with the president knowing and having authorized it. This kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time and goes back all the way to WWII with our spying and way before that with countries like the British and Germany spying on us. This spying crosses party lines and presidents try to cover it up if caught. Even Eisenhower tried to cover up spying on Russia with the U-2 crash with Gary Powers. But IKE owned up, he hand a handle on what his agencies were doing, I wonder now if President Obama does.

In my book what was worse is confiscating the working documents of a reporter who reported things on DHS along with her sources names by DHS who went looking for her husband's potato gun. That in my opinion is a violation of the 4th Amendment of unwarranted search and seizures. the warrant issued was on her husband for a firearm. Nothing was in there for papers belonging to her or anything dealing with her. It does seem to me that quite a lot of our agencies are no more responsible to our elected leaders anymore. They do what they to whom they want. It is time to fire some heads of these departments/agencies and bring them back under control.
 
zimmer said:
I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

I howled.

You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
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So, the NSA came right out and said the POTUS is a stupid chump who can't keep up with his intel briefings. Proving some sorts of defense of the president are the opposite of defense. :mrgreen:
 
Perotista said:
I really do not know what to make of this. But I do think it is probably worse if the president didn't know than if he did. By not knowing he is letting our security agencies run amok without the proper guidance. If General Alexander didn't tell the president and kept him in the dark, especially when targeting leaders of allies, then he should be fired. I would be more comfortable with the president knowing and having authorized it. This kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time and goes back all the way to WWII with our spying and way before that with countries like the British and Germany spying on us. This spying crosses party lines and presidents try to cover it up if caught. Even Eisenhower tried to cover up spying on Russia with the U-2 crash with Gary Powers. But IKE owned up, he hand a handle on what his agencies were doing, I wonder now if President Obama does.

In my book what was worse is confiscating the working documents of a reporter who reported things on DHS along with her sources names by DHS who went looking for her husband's potato gun. That in my opinion is a violation of the 4th Amendment of unwarranted search and seizures. the warrant issued was on her husband for a firearm. Nothing was in there for papers belonging to her or anything dealing with her. It does seem to me that quite a lot of our agencies are no more responsible to our elected leaders anymore. They do what they to whom they want. It is time to fire some heads of these departments/agencies and bring them back under control.
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I'm getting really alarmed about the fact that apparently nobody is telling the POTUS anything! Odd...Don't they meet up once in a while so he can ask "what's new?" :mrgreen: He didn't know about this, or the fact that the Obamacare site had problems? These are kind of important problems... Sheesh!

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
I'm getting really alarmed about the fact that apparently nobody is telling the POTUS anything! Odd...Don't they meet up once in a while so he can ask "what's new?" :mrgreen: He didn't know about this, or the fact that the Obamacare site had problems? These are kind of important problems... Sheesh!

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:
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In my long time of experiences all these different administrations, this kind of thing sort of sounds like LBJ and Vietnam. LBJ only wanted to hear good news, so his cronies filtered out all the bad news before briefing him. He really believed the U.S. was winning the war in a big way. Reagan liked to delegate, he would say he wanted this or that done and leave it up to his cronies how to do it. Iran'Contra became a big thing in Reagan's second term. But after he fessed up, Reagan fired people.

It may be time for Obama to do the same, if he isn't getting the info he needs, it is time for heads to roll. I may or may not agree with what he does or what he has his agencies do, but I sure a heck want the president to know.
 
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