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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Agree.

    Also agree.

    It'd be pretty amazing if Obama didn't know about the spying. But he seems to know everything and nothing.
    what is more amazing is if all this unwarranted power is used against the citizens of this country by their political party it is okay. But if the other political party does it, then it is time to holler, scream, rant, rave and call names. I think at times we Americans forget we are Americans and that our liberties and freedoms are precious things. It has become more important to be Republicans and Democrats than Americans especially when it comes to protecting our rights and freedoms. As long as it is my party doing away and abridging those rights and is in power, that is perfectly okay. That is very dangerous.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

    I howled.

    You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

    I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

    I howled.

    You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

    I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
    Just add this to the extensive list of things President Obama doesn't know...or at least claims not to know. Anyone else tired of the "I didn't know", or "I learned about it on the news" defense? It would seem this excuse can only be used so many times before it loses its credibility. At this point I would prefer, "I knew about x but [I don't care] [I'm not going to do anything about it] [I was trying to keep it a secret] [it was intentional]."

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is my thinking also.
    I doubt it has to do with him not knowing......from post #6.

    First, who would bug the head of government of a US ally without having the highest possible level of authorization? That would tend to be a career-ender if it got exposed, especially in the manner in which it did get exposed. Say, has anyone been fired for it? Er … not so far.

    Second, who exactly would be the customer of this data, once collected? Here’s a hint: It’s not going to be the undersecretary of agricultural development at the USDA. The only reason to surveil Angela Merkel is to provide real-time intelligence to the highest level of government about the intentions of the German Chancellor. Furthermore, that intelligence would have to be specified as to its source for the policymaker to validate it for its consideration. If that policymaker is not Barack Obama, then perhaps we should be asking who exactly is making decisions at the top level of government.....snip~

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I doubt it has to do with him not knowing......from post #6.

    First, who would bug the head of government of a US ally without having the highest possible level of authorization? That would tend to be a career-ender if it got exposed, especially in the manner in which it did get exposed. Say, has anyone been fired for it? Er … not so far.

    Second, who exactly would be the customer of this data, once collected? Here’s a hint: It’s not going to be the undersecretary of agricultural development at the USDA. The only reason to surveil Angela Merkel is to provide real-time intelligence to the highest level of government about the intentions of the German Chancellor. Furthermore, that intelligence would have to be specified as to its source for the policymaker to validate it for its consideration. If that policymaker is not Barack Obama, then perhaps we should be asking who exactly is making decisions at the top level of government.....snip~
    yep, makes good sense to me.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

    I howled.

    You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

    I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
    I am no admirer of Obama. But he probably could never have imagined a head of government being so careless or lazy as to use an unsecured telephone line for anything beyond trading cookie recipes. I mean, that is so negligent the Chancellor lose her job.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    It was an unsecured line? In the service I used to have to answer my phone all the time saying "Cpl Mak2, this is an unsecured line..." If it was an unsecured line this is too stupid ot talk aobut
    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am no admirer of Obama. But he probably could never have imagined a head of government being so careless or lazy as to use an unsecured telephone line for anything beyond trading cookie recipes. I mean, that is so negligent the Chancellor lose her job.
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