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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    In my long time of experiences all these different administrations, this kind of thing sort of sounds like LBJ and Vietnam. LBJ only wanted to hear good news, so his cronies filtered out all the bad news before briefing him. He really believed the U.S. was winning the war in a big way. Reagan liked to delegate, he would say he wanted this or that done and leave it up to his cronies how to do it. Iran'Contra became a big thing in Reagan's second term. But after he fessed up, Reagan fired people.

    It may be time for Obama to do the same, if he isn't getting the info he needs, it is time for heads to roll. I may or may not agree with what he does or what he has his agencies do, but I sure a heck want the president to know.
    It could be that they know he doesn't want to hear bad news. Well guess what--most people feel that way, but we know life isn't always strawberries and champagne! Unfortunately for him, bad news sometimes goes with the job he's got!

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It could be that they know he doesn't want to hear bad news. Well guess what--most people feel that way, but we know life isn't always strawberries and champagne! Unfortunately for him, bad news sometimes goes with the job he's got!
    That is my thinking also.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Seems that would apply to W also....who apparently initiated the program....and conducted from the WH...at least if you are going full w-a, you might as well go all the way.
    So when was Bush asked about it by the press?

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So when was Bush asked about it by the press?
    Uh....duh...right after Snowden released the data. /sarcasm.

    I noticed you still haven't mentioned what your stance was on the Snowden releases.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh....duh...right after Snowden released the data. /sarcasm.

    I noticed you still haven't mentioned what your stance was on the Snowden releases.
    I don't keep up with what he does, so I have no idea what he released.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I don't keep up with what he does, so I have no idea what he released.
    Or when....apparently.

    Ever consider a different pastime, your postings/debate sux.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Or when....apparently.

    Ever consider a different pastime, your postings/debate sux.
    I do not comment on things I'm not interested in, or know nothing about... In this case, both apply.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I do not comment on things I'm not interested in, or know nothing about... In this case, both apply.
    If you decide to come into a thread, you ought to have SOME background.

    This is directly related to the Snowden releases. Merkel, apparently did not know that this Bush era surveillance happened until the Snowden documents were released.

    Come back when you have a modicum of knowledge on the topic.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I really do not know what to make of this. But I do think it is probably worse if the president didn't know than if he did. By not knowing he is letting our security agencies run amok without the proper guidance. If General Alexander didn't tell the president and kept him in the dark, especially when targeting leaders of allies, then he should be fired. I would be more comfortable with the president knowing and having authorized it. This kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time and goes back all the way to WWII with our spying and way before that with countries like the British and Germany spying on us. This spying crosses party lines and presidents try to cover it up if caught. Even Eisenhower tried to cover up spying on Russia with the U-2 crash with Gary Powers. But IKE owned up, he hand a handle on what his agencies were doing, I wonder now if President Obama does.
    Agree.
    In my book what was worse is confiscating the working documents of a reporter who reported things on DHS along with her sources names by DHS who went looking for her husband's potato gun. That in my opinion is a violation of the 4th Amendment of unwarranted search and seizures. the warrant issued was on her husband for a firearm. Nothing was in there for papers belonging to her or anything dealing with her. It does seem to me that quite a lot of our agencies are no more responsible to our elected leaders anymore. They do what they to whom they want. It is time to fire some heads of these departments/agencies and bring them back under control.
    Also agree.

    It'd be pretty amazing if Obama didn't know about the spying. But he seems to know everything and nothing.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The deaths, lies and coverups by Obama/Clinton on Benghazi are funny?
    Of course they are for you.
    Keep laugh'in.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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