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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Classic... When confronted with the truth about your Messiah, you play the good ol' race card.

    Liberalism... The one trick pony ideology.
    Classic, when confronted with wild a**ed rhetoric, the spewing of more w-a rhetoric continues.

    Tell me something, why is it that when I search for comments from you about Snowden's data breach, I come up empty.

    Further, when I point out that this NSA program began at least as far back as 2002, I see nothing to temper your comments.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What do you have of substance to back any of the scandalous claims you make?
    What claims?

    There are only 2 choices here... Either he is a fool who has no clue what the people under him are doing, or he knows exactly what they're doing and is lying his ass off.

    So what's it going to be?

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What do you have of substance to back any of the scandalous claims you make?
    Pffft....who says w-a off topic rhetoric baiting requires substance?

    It inherently does not.

    That is the beauty of w-a-rhetoric.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What claims?

    There are only 2 choices here... Either he is a fool who has no clue what the people under him are doing, or he knows exactly what they're doing and is lying his ass off.

    So what's it going to be?
    Seems that would apply to W also....who apparently initiated the program....and conducted from the WH...at least if you are going full w-a, you might as well go all the way.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

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    nobody died at Abu Graib.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Classic... When confronted with the truth about your Messiah, you play the good ol' race card.

    Liberalism... The one trick pony ideology.
    Why are you trying to label yourself as a conservative?

    Conservatives aren't totally consumed with racism and hate for others. Look up the definition and try to be one for a change.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

    I howled.

    You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

    I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
    I really do not know what to make of this. But I do think it is probably worse if the president didn't know than if he did. By not knowing he is letting our security agencies run amok without the proper guidance. If General Alexander didn't tell the president and kept him in the dark, especially when targeting leaders of allies, then he should be fired. I would be more comfortable with the president knowing and having authorized it. This kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time and goes back all the way to WWII with our spying and way before that with countries like the British and Germany spying on us. This spying crosses party lines and presidents try to cover it up if caught. Even Eisenhower tried to cover up spying on Russia with the U-2 crash with Gary Powers. But IKE owned up, he hand a handle on what his agencies were doing, I wonder now if President Obama does.

    In my book what was worse is confiscating the working documents of a reporter who reported things on DHS along with her sources names by DHS who went looking for her husband's potato gun. That in my opinion is a violation of the 4th Amendment of unwarranted search and seizures. the warrant issued was on her husband for a firearm. Nothing was in there for papers belonging to her or anything dealing with her. It does seem to me that quite a lot of our agencies are no more responsible to our elected leaders anymore. They do what they to whom they want. It is time to fire some heads of these departments/agencies and bring them back under control.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

    I howled.

    You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

    I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
    So, the NSA came right out and said the POTUS is a stupid chump who can't keep up with his intel briefings. Proving some sorts of defense of the president are the opposite of defense.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I really do not know what to make of this. But I do think it is probably worse if the president didn't know than if he did. By not knowing he is letting our security agencies run amok without the proper guidance. If General Alexander didn't tell the president and kept him in the dark, especially when targeting leaders of allies, then he should be fired. I would be more comfortable with the president knowing and having authorized it. This kind of stuff has been going on for a long, long time and goes back all the way to WWII with our spying and way before that with countries like the British and Germany spying on us. This spying crosses party lines and presidents try to cover it up if caught. Even Eisenhower tried to cover up spying on Russia with the U-2 crash with Gary Powers. But IKE owned up, he hand a handle on what his agencies were doing, I wonder now if President Obama does.

    In my book what was worse is confiscating the working documents of a reporter who reported things on DHS along with her sources names by DHS who went looking for her husband's potato gun. That in my opinion is a violation of the 4th Amendment of unwarranted search and seizures. the warrant issued was on her husband for a firearm. Nothing was in there for papers belonging to her or anything dealing with her. It does seem to me that quite a lot of our agencies are no more responsible to our elected leaders anymore. They do what they to whom they want. It is time to fire some heads of these departments/agencies and bring them back under control.
    I'm getting really alarmed about the fact that apparently nobody is telling the POTUS anything! Odd...Don't they meet up once in a while so he can ask "what's new?" He didn't know about this, or the fact that the Obamacare site had problems? These are kind of important problems... Sheesh!

    Greetings, Pero.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I'm getting really alarmed about the fact that apparently nobody is telling the POTUS anything! Odd...Don't they meet up once in a while so he can ask "what's new?" He didn't know about this, or the fact that the Obamacare site had problems? These are kind of important problems... Sheesh!

    Greetings, Pero.
    In my long time of experiences all these different administrations, this kind of thing sort of sounds like LBJ and Vietnam. LBJ only wanted to hear good news, so his cronies filtered out all the bad news before briefing him. He really believed the U.S. was winning the war in a big way. Reagan liked to delegate, he would say he wanted this or that done and leave it up to his cronies how to do it. Iran'Contra became a big thing in Reagan's second term. But after he fessed up, Reagan fired people.

    It may be time for Obama to do the same, if he isn't getting the info he needs, it is time for heads to roll. I may or may not agree with what he does or what he has his agencies do, but I sure a heck want the president to know.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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