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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because it became public and he got caught?
    Merkels phone issue is recent.....plus to have both walk into his office with both knowing information has been shared about each other. Should kind of get him ticked and thinking.....how are you going to try and get over me with this issue.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Goodness, it has been a long time ago...but I remember an American getting busted for being a double agent from Isreal and someone on a talk show talking about most nations spend at least as much time and effort spying on their friends as they do their enemies.
    They do. It's nothing new. Israel spies on us, we spy on them. Apparently the Germans and French too. Not really a surprise.

    Merkel better hope that Germany's spying on us (which I don't have any proof of, but it's probably happening) isn't found out.


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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I spent several hours listening to German radio, and one commentator summed it up well... it was bad news that he knew, probably worse that he didn't know.

    I howled.

    You know... I don't recall Bush getting any passes because he didn't know. Abu Graib comes to mind... and unlike Benghazi... nobody died at Abu Graib.

    I'd lay down pretty good bets that Obama won't be giving any more speeches in Berlin.
    If these agency heads aren't keeping the commander-in-chief informed, they need to be replaced.

    Obama is a bad leader if he wants this plausible denyability.

    Either the agency heads, or Obama need to resign in disgrace if this is true.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Geeze, another scandal?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If these agency heads aren't keeping the commander-in-chief informed, they need to be replaced.

    Obama is a bad leader if he wants this plausible denyability.

    Either the agency heads, or Obama need to resign in disgrace if this is true.
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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obama knows NOTHING!!! He is the Sgt Schultz of American presidents...
    LOL...

    Found this in a search your words prompted:


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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They do. It's nothing new. Israel spies on us, we spy on them. Apparently the Germans and French too. Not really a surprise.

    Merkel better hope that Germany's spying on us (which I don't have any proof of, but it's probably happening) isn't found out.
    Why, she knows in the 60's they were.....course she said those were the East Germans.

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If these agency heads aren't keeping the commander-in-chief informed, they need to be replaced.

    Obama is a bad leader if he wants this plausible denyability.

    Either the agency heads, or Obama need to resign in disgrace if this is true.
    I agree. He should have known, and if in fact he didn't, someone wasn't doing their job.

    Maybe he should just pull a Reagan and say he "doesn't recall" being told.


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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If these agency heads aren't keeping the commander-in-chief informed, they need to be replaced.
    I agree completely. What the hell? These guys run a program that may jeopardize our relationship with a key ally - not to mention one of the five or six most important countries in the world - and they don't bother to inform the boss? Isn't that, like, borderline treason?

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They do. It's nothing new. Israel spies on us, we spy on them.
    Oh, no, this is entirely different. Everybody understands that the CIA and its counterparts everywhere are gathering information on friend and foe. And attempts to obtain latest defense-relevant technology are also expected. "They wouldn't be doing their job".

    But tapping the phone of a leader of an allied country means crossing a whole bunch of red lines. It's just not done. Or so we thought.

    And what exactly was the purpose? To learn what Angela is going to say in defense of Austerity, and give tips to Paul Krugman, for a pre-emptive rebuttal in his NYT column?

    (If it turns out that any kind of information had been leaked, even absolutely by accident, to the German opposition parties - can you imagine the scope of the scandal?)

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    Re: NSA denies Obama knew of spying on German leader

    Well even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Far righties actually have a legitimate grievance this time.

    The idea that Obama didn't know that his own spy agencies were listening on on foreign leaders conversations just cannot be true.

    If it is true there's two major issues here.

    1) it shows that spy agencies are acting without proper authorizations, a decision like this should have been reviewed at the beginning of his presidency.

    2) he hasn't been asking the right questions of his national security team.

    I'm not even upset the US has done it, makes sense that they would, it doesn't come as any kind of shock or surprise to me that it happened.

    But this idea that the president didn't know I think is ludicrous, and it's a desperate and pathetic attempt to save face.

    It's the same thing with torture, right wingers tried to say "it wasn't torture" well it was!

    And I wouldn't be as upset about it if you were to just come out and say

    "We will use torture as a weapon to defend this country".

    In the same way you just admit that

    "We will spy on you to further the interests of this country".

    No worries.

    Still makes you look like assholes, but ironically, honest assholes.

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