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Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

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Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools - abc27 WHTM

Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools


HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) - A bill that would require Pennsylvania's public school districts to display "In God We Trust" in all public school buildings has cleared its first legislative hurdle.
House Bill 1728 was reported out of the House Education Committee by a 14-9 vote Wednesday.
Personally, I kinda agree with some commentary I heard on this, from a local talk radio host.

To paraphrase him: "I have a problem with the "required" part. If it said "allowed" instead, I'd be fine with it."
 
I don't really see a need to make it "required" but I would be fine with allowing it. If anything, nothing should be hindering a school right now from putting "in God we trust" on the school.
 
I don't really see a need to make it "required" but I would be fine with allowing it. If anything, nothing should be hindering a school right now from putting "in God we trust" on the school.

"In God we trust" on a public school is state endorsement of religion.
 
"In God we trust" on a public school is state endorsement of religion.

It's not, and it's also on our money which is legal.
 
Surely requiring it violates the free exercise of irreligion.

Personally, I'd like to see the phrase written in all the schools in Arabic, and see how the people who supported it react.
 
Why would "In God we Trust" be required to be placed on public school buildings? What possible purpose could such an edict serve?

Sounds to me like the Christian Right trying to pick a fight.
 
"In God we trust" on a public school is state endorsement of religion.

Which religion?

Reading the context of why the want to do it, it doesn't endorse a religion since it is a motto. However, what I do have a problem with is the "required" part. In addition to that, I would like to ask them "Why in this economy is it necessary to prioritize THIS over anything else?". They say they are doing it for "patriotism", but wouldn't patriotism be best served on some other endeavor to actually help the people?
 
I would support this if they added: 'All others must pay cash.'
 
Why would "In God we Trust" be required to be placed on public school buildings? What possible purpose could such an edict serve?

Sounds to me like the Christian Right trying to pick a fight.
Apparently it's part of some bill entitled "The National Motto Display Act", which I think is obviously an attempt to side-step the whole religion issue.


Really though, the door for this kind of thing was opened quite awhile ago, when "In God We Trust" became the national motto. The second article I linked mentions this as well:
"In God We Trust" became the national motto under a 1956 law signed by President Dwight Eisenhower.


But IMO, what this is REALLY about is time-wasting bull**** so they don't have to address REAL issues, yet can be seen to be "working".
 
Apparently it's part of some bill entitled "The National Motto Display Act", which I think is obviously an attempt to side-step the whole religion issue.


Really though, the door for this kind of thing was opened quite awhile ago, when "In God We Trust" became the national motto. The second article I linked mentions this as well:



But IMO, what this is REALLY about is time-wasting bull**** so they don't have to address REAL issues, yet can be seen to be "working".

so they've taken a page out of Congress' playbook.
 
so they've taken a page out of Congress' playbook.
I think that particular playbook had copies sent to every state decades ago, and they pull it out on a slow day.
 
Which religion?

Reading the context of why the want to do it, it doesn't endorse a religion since it is a motto. However, what I do have a problem with is the "required" part. In addition to that, I would like to ask them "Why in this economy is it necessary to prioritize THIS over anything else?". They say they are doing it for "patriotism", but wouldn't patriotism be best served on some other endeavor to actually help the people?

Well let's see... they didn't say "In Allah we trust". They didn't say "In Yahweh we trust." What could they possibly be talking about? lol
 
Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools - abc27 WHTM


Personally, I kinda agree with some commentary I heard on this, from a local talk radio host.

To paraphrase him: "I have a problem with the "required" part. If it said "allowed" instead, I'd be fine with it."

Yeah these folks in Harrisburg aren't that bright. They seem to think prayer is a substitute for doing the work they were hired to do. Back in 2011:

Harrisburg Hoping God Can Help Balance the Books

If all the brightest minds in Harrisburg’s government can’t solve the city’s financial problems, maybe God can.

That seems to be the thinking in Pennsylvania’s capital city, where Mayor Linda Thompson and a host of other religious leaders are about to embark on a three-day fast and prayer campaign to cure the city’s daunting money woes.

According to a recent analysis from the state’s Department of Community and Economic Development, Harrisburg is likely to end the year with a nearly $3.5 million deficit in its $58 million budget, and things are only expected to get worse.

By 2015, the deficit is likely to be $10.4 million, which will eat up about 16 percent of the city’s general fund budget.​

And guess what happened?


Religion in politics is just bullhshyte cover to keep a religious base off of you when you are not doing your job.
 
Well let's see... they didn't say "In Allah we trust". They didn't say "In Yahweh we trust." What could they possibly be talking about? lol

God could still mean multiple religions. God is not strictly Christian alone. I know many that use God as in to mean something greater. Regardless, I think their time would be better spent on other endeavors than this one if they "truly" want to help people.
 
Beer, bbq and smart phones don't mix...
 
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And is this what passes for politics in Pennsylvania?
From these guys, apparently.

I would say they aren't indicative of ALL Pennsylvania politicians.

But, then, I'm afraid they might be....
 
Yeah these folks in Harrisburg aren't that bright. They seem to think prayer is a substitute for doing the work they were hired to do. Back in 2011:

Harrisburg Hoping God Can Help Balance the Books

If all the brightest minds in Harrisburg’s government can’t solve the city’s financial problems, maybe God can.

That seems to be the thinking in Pennsylvania’s capital city, where Mayor Linda Thompson and a host of other religious leaders are about to embark on a three-day fast and prayer campaign to cure the city’s daunting money woes.

According to a recent analysis from the state’s Department of Community and Economic Development, Harrisburg is likely to end the year with a nearly $3.5 million deficit in its $58 million budget, and things are only expected to get worse.

By 2015, the deficit is likely to be $10.4 million, which will eat up about 16 percent of the city’s general fund budget.​

And guess what happened?


Religion in politics is just bullhshyte cover to keep a religious base off of you when you are not doing your job.
Harrisburg's budget issues have been ongoing for quite awhile now.

Still not resolved.
 
Which religion?
It favors:
Religions that calls their god "God."
Religions with just one main god.
Religions that trust their god.
Religions that want government's endorsement.
Belief systems that support evangelizing and/or publicly promoting their beliefs.


It excludes:
Religions that use other names for their god(s).
Religions with multiple gods.
Religions that don't trust god(s).
Belief systems that don't believe that there definitely is a god.
Belief systems that don't support government endorsement of religion.
Belief systems that don't support evangelizing or publicly promoting their beliefs.
 
"In God we trust" on a public school is state endorsement of religion.

But, not a state religion, nor does it abridge the free practice of religion.

Not allowing, "In God We Trust", abridges the free practice of religion.
 
But, not a state religion, nor does it abridge the free practice of religion.

Not allowing, "In God We Trust", abridges the free practice of religion.

Mandating it does abridge the free non-practice of religion.
 
I think schools should post signs that say "Don't trust God to take care of you, pay attention and do the work."
 
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