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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's not mandatory - that would violate both the First and Tenth Amendments (in reality -- who knows in progressiveland).
    What part of section 3a indicates it is not mandatory?
    The board of directors of every school district in this Commonwealth shall display the motto “In God We Trust,”, which is declared in 36 U.S.C. 302 (relating to national motto) to be the national motto of the United States, in each school building.
    The bit where it says "...shall display the motto..." sounds fairly mandatory to me.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What part of section 3a indicates it is not mandatory?


    The bit where it says "...shall display the motto..." sounds fairly mandatory to me.
    The whole part of the First Amendment that references religion.

    Using your logic you may as well say McDonalds is forcing you to eat a Big Mac via advertising -- wait you already own those nutters that already claim that...


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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Easy solution: abolish public schools. All schools should be private with a voucher system anyway.
    I'll pass on that thank you. I'd rather we not be taxed and have it given to church schools... which would in effect be the government establishing religion. Then have their graduates tell us that the world is 6000 years old and dinosaurs either never happened or were our pets.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The whole part of the First Amendment that references religion.

    Using your logic you may as well say McDonalds is forcing you to eat a Big Mac via advertising -- wait you already own those nutters that already claim that...


    What can I not promote that you cannot refuse?
    I'm not claiming this act is constitutional, although it might actually be (so long as the motto is displayed as the motto, not as a religious statement...damn hair splitting).

    I'm just pointing out that if this act becomes law (it currently has only passed a committee), it WOULD require the display. Which might spark a court case. Hell, that might be one of the reasons for this attempt...to spark a court case.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Besides that, no one is being required to do anything they don't want to do, outside of their job description.
    That is proven false as the law now requires them to post a giant sign saying in god we trust.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The whole part of the First Amendment that references religion.
    It's not about religion, according to its supporters. It's about the national motto, and the bill says "shall" not "may".
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is proven false as the law now requires them to post a giant sign saying in god we trust.
    But, that's all it does.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, that's all it does.
    Which is a direct violation of freedom of speech. If a school doesn't want to display them, they are in fact being forced to by law. Which is a direct violation of the first.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which is a direct violation of freedom of speech. If a school doesn't want to display them, they are in fact being forced to by law. Which is a direct violation of the first.
    Who owns and operates the school? The government?
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who owns and operates the school? The government?
    So wait a minute. It's now been shown they HAVE to put this sign up. Just because it is government saying to do it, doesn't mean it's the right or correct thing to do.

    I have no dog in this fight as I don't live in that state, but if I were voters in that state, I would be rather ticked off that money, time, and effort is being spent on this thing.

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