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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You lefties crack me up...We have it on our money. is that and endorsement of religion to?
    We addressed the money thing already.

    Everything, and I mean everything, is left-right with you. "Lefty" this and "leftwing" that.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We addressed the money thing already.

    Everything, and I mean everything, is left-right with you. "Lefty" this and "leftwing" that.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's not, and it's also on our money which is legal.
    Our money isn't money, though. American green backs are privatly owned by the federal reserve, not the government.

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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nowhere does it mandate anyone to practice any certain religiin.
    Here is your statement:

    there's nothing here that forces any kind of requirenent on anyone.
    That, because of the bill's language is unequivocally false. You'd do well to remember what you post.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools - abc27 WHTM


    Personally, I kinda agree with some commentary I heard on this, from a local talk radio host.

    To paraphrase him: "I have a problem with the "required" part. If it said "allowed" instead, I'd be fine with it."
    It's an option - not mandatory...

    The complexities of freedom. Wow, it took an entire bill re-ratify the First Amendment...

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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here is your statement:



    That, because of the bill's language is unequivocally false. You'd do well to remember what you post.
    I know it's tough for you sometimes, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what I meant.

    Besides that, no one is being required to do anything they don't want to do, outside of their job description.

    Now, if you can show me where in the bill that a state religion has been established, or that someone's freedom of religion has been infringed upon, you might have a point. Can you?
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's an option - not mandatory...

    The complexities of freedom. Wow, it took an entire bill re-ratify the First Amendment...
    It is mandatory, or so it appears in the act as it exists for the moment (I had to transcribe the damn thing because the link from the AP article is apparently just scanner images):
    AN ACT
    Providing for the display of the national motto “In God We Trust” in classrooms and other areas in public school buildings
    The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania hereby enacts as follows:

    Section 1. Short title.
    This act shall be known and may be cited as the National Motto Display Act.

    Section 2. Legislative findings and declarations.
    (1) The motto “In God We trust” is part of the history and heritage of the United States. On April 22, 2014, we will celebrated the 150th anniversary of our national motto “In God We Trust” on our coins. Although this phrase was not officially established as our national motto until a law was passed by the 84th Congress and approved by President Eisenhower, it was first introduced to the nation by Francis Scott Key in 1814 as words that would be included in our national anthem.
    (2) It was a Pennsylvanian however, that installed those words on our coins. James Pollock from Milton, Pennsylvania, became our 13th governor serving from 1855 to 1858. He was known as “The Great Christian Governor.” Prior to Pollock’s term as Governor and as one of the original trustees when The Pennsylvania State University became a charter, he served as a member of the Congress of the United States and became friends with then congressman, Abraham Lincoln. When Lincoln became president, he appointed Pollock director of the United States Mint.
    (3) Pollock suggested the motto “In God We Trust” be featured on all United Stated currency. This practice first occurred in April of 1864 when Congress approved the use of the motto on the United States two-cent pieces. Since then, the motto has been inscribed on most denominations of coins in an uninterrupted period of time extending from the present back to 1916.
    (4) In 1956, the Congress of the United States adopted the motto “In God We Trust” as the national motto. It is currently codified at 36 U.S.C. 302 (relating to national motto). Since 1957, the United States Bureau of Engraving and Printing has gradually incorporated the motto in the design on the reverse of all paper currency.
    (5) On July 24, 2000, the United States House of Representatives, along with the concurrence of the Senate, unanimously resolved to encourage the display of the national motto of the United States in public buildings throughout the nation.
    (6) To increase student understanding and familiarity with American historical documents, historically important excerpts from or copies of the documents should be prominently displayed in public school buildings.
    (7) The Federal 5th, 9th, and 10th Circuit Courts have ruled that displaying the national motto passes constitutional muster so long as the purpose of the display is to advance or endorse the national motto rather than a particular religious belief or practice.

    Section 3. Display of motto.
    (a) Board of directors.—The board of directors of every school district in this Commonwealth shall display the motto “In God We Trust,”, which is declared in 36 U.S.C. 302 (relating to national motto) to be the national motto of the United States, in each school building.
    (b) Form.—The display of the motto “in God We Trust” may take the form of, but is not limited to, a mounted plaque or may include artwork as a result of a student contest that will be prominently displayed in each school building.

    Section 20. Effective date.
    This act shall take effect in 60 days.
    tl;dr version:
    So far as I can tell, it thus far consists of:
    Section 1: Name
    Section 2: Justification
    Section 3: Implementation.
    Section 20: When.

    Also, where did sections 4-19 go?


    Edit: Section 3a deals with the requirement part.
    Last edited by The Mark; 10-27-13 at 10:02 PM.
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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I find it curious that people are for establishing a mix of religion and state as long as the religious mix is juuuuuust vague enough that it can't pinned to one faith. As if everyone is religious.
    Easy solution: abolish public schools. All schools should be private with a voucher system anyway.

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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It is mandatory, or so it appears in the act as it exists for the moment (I had to transcribe the damn thing because the link from the AP article is apparently just scanner images):

    tl;dr version:
    So far as I can tell, it thus far consists of:
    Section 1: Name
    Section 2: Justification
    Section 3: Implementation.
    Section 20: When.

    Also, where did sections 4-19 go?


    Edit: Section 3a deals with the requirement part.
    It's not mandatory - that would violate both the First and Tenth Amendments (in reality -- who knows in progressiveland).

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    Re: Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

    Does anyone understand the concept that you cannot force me to pray, and you cannot force me NOT to pray?

    Welcome to our First Amendment...

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