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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd be all for that kind of reform. But this isn't about immigration in general -- this is all about our southern border. I hope whatever makes its way through the legislature solves that problem which, in my little mind, is the biggest problem we have re immigration.
    Though mexican immigrants get the lion share of the attention, the laws being proposed address immigration from all sources.
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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Though mexican immigrants get the lion share of the attention, the laws being proposed address immigration from all sources.
    I suppose the work visa and student visa holes need plugging, don't they? Yeah, you're right.

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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I suppose the work visa and student visa holes need plugging, don't they? Yeah, you're right.
    I could be misremembering, but I believe there's also an expansion of the termporary workers' permit too. That wouldn't eliminate illegal immigration, but it would make it less attractive in comparison.
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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why does immigration need reform?
    It doesn't. However, it could use some work. Nothing in Washington needs reform. Every time someone finds something not working like it's planned they have to "reform" it. So aggravating.
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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    If we enforced the laws, then maybe people would have faith this "reform" was honest. We do not enforce current laws, $$ and votes are dancing in the eyes of progressive politicians and regular joe America sees nothing but higher taxes and erosion of sovereignty.

    Why not just be upfront and call it what it is? Future Voter bribe act of 2014 and at least not lie that they care about "the plight of immigrants", cause really... they don't. They just want the votes.
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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The Democratic Senate has already passed a bipartisan bill that is reasonable if not perfect. But the tea party occupation forces in the House won't let it reach the floor, because they know it will also pass with bipartisan support.

    Latino voters will remember this, just like they remembered all the anti-immigrant scapegoating by the GOP last election. It's wonderful how the tea party, like a Golem, is strangling its creator to death.
    Obama and the Dems had a two year anything goes run. They didn't find it important then when they could have got it passed on their own. Instead they focused on destroying the job market and heath care in America.

    Maybe some of the Latinos will remember that as well.
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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
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    My issue with this political debate is not that some Republicans are dead set against reforming immigration. My problem is the argument from the side that does want to, for political reasons, but also for political reasons do not want to do it until 2015 right before the presidential campaign. What would an immigrant family who has been waiting years to have their status recognized think if they found out it could have been done 2 years earlier but was delayed so that the Republicans could have a better image right before an election?

    The transparency of the political calculation on this issue has been sickening to me. On one hand, it's good to support a good cause, no matter what your reason is. On the other hand, you should do what is right because its right, and if you get rewarded then that's a plus, but doing something right just for the reward without caring about what it was you did is kind of upsetting.
    Both parties do things like this, it doesn't make it right but it happens. But I am with you, if they are going to do something about it, do it now, don't wait until just before an election. Myself, I would have to see what the bill consists of before either supporting it or not. Blanket amnesty didn't work during the Reagan era, it probably created a bigger problem. But we shall see.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Both parties do things like this, it doesn't make it right but it happens. But I am with you, if they are going to do something about it, do it now, don't wait until just before an election. Myself, I would have to see what the bill consists of before either supporting it or not. Blanket amnesty didn't work during the Reagan era, it probably created a bigger problem. But we shall see.
    My problem with this is the unfairness to those who have applied for, and are following the law regarding citizenship, and what they must be thinking about how illegals are being given preference, simply because it's become a political decision. It must seem that we reward lawbreakers, which doesn't say a lot about this country to outsiders looking at what's going on in America! :

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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    My problem with this is the unfairness to those who have applied for, and are following the law regarding citizenship, and what they must be thinking about how illegals are being given preference, simply because it's become a political decision. It must seem that we reward lawbreakers, which doesn't say a lot about this country to outsiders looking at what's going on in America! :
    It was once said that what makes America different is we are a nation of laws. Not any more.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: GOP Rift Extends to Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because the current laws don't work. They aren't keeping the people we don't want out, and kicking the people we do want (STEM workers and foreigners who graduate from our colleges) out.
    Geeeee the reason they don't work is no one wants to enforce them. Period
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