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Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

reinoe said:
The voters select the politicians who create policies that rob the middle class to pay the rich. I would have thought that Americans would rally in support of the ideals of Occupy Wall Street, but much to my surprise Americans bent over backwards to support the banks that caused the economic downturn.
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OWS was nothing more than a bunch of lazy ass college kids and grads wanting something for nothing
 
fmw said:
The American public didn't support banks. They simply failed to support a movement with socialist goals. And, as Alpaca said, nothing could be more stupid than giving a greedy, corrupt, over spending government even more money to waste.
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But this the left defended. When the 'stimulus' package' went to the cronies the leftists defended it, and actually demanded more stimulus, claiming the economy would improve. When Obama spent millions mre with his cronies on solar companies again the Leftists approved, saying Obama was a visionary businessman. When Obama tries to ass a budget that no one votes for, it's still the intransigence of The Republicans. When the debt grows ever deeper and the economy fails to improve its the fault of George Bush..

Now they can see the debacle begin, pretend its just a 'temporary glitch' , and still support the government controlling the personal health of millions of American people.

To say these people are stupid does now quite explain it. They seen deliberately and stubborninly stupid, and the country is being overwhelmed by them.
 
VanceMack said:
yes...clamoring for a government to tell you what you have to do is rather childlike. Interesting that 80%of the country were previously responsible enough to take care of their needs, but under this admin, that will all change.
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That 80% got healthcare insurance through their employers so if they lost their job they lost their insurance. That is the utopia you will miss?
 
iguanaman said:
That 80% got healthcare insurance through their employers so if they lost their job they lost their insurance. That is the utopia you will miss?
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Now that utopia will exist with Barrack Obama and the firmly established, though clearly incompetent, bureaucracy. Is that what you wanted?
 
reinoe said:
The voters select the politicians who create policies that rob the middle class to pay the rich. I would have thought that Americans would rally in support of the ideals of Occupy Wall Street, but much to my surprise Americans bent over backwards to support the banks that caused the economic downturn.
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Most American's would support a peaceful rally or protest. One that had their rally or protest for an afternoon and then went home. I think what a lot of Americans had against OWS was that they took over parks, portions of a town and just camped out. After a few days they became and I am looking for the right phase or word and this may not be what I have in mind. But they became the rowdy, in your face, take my park bunch and keep it, the enemy of sorts to the common man/average American who couldn't identify with them. Their message was lost due to their tactics.

When you compare them to the tea party back in 2009/2010, they had their rally and went home, cleaning up the mess they caused prior to departing, not so with OWS. OWS came to be look down upon as a bunch of dirty college kids who didn't clean up after themselves. The tea party ralliers were older, dressed neatly and well behaved. Now I am just using the comparisons here, not the political ideology. So more Americans could associate themselves back in 09/10 with the tea party than the OWS bunch.

It is how one presents his arguments, the appearance of those rallies and protesters. Most Americans will ask themselves, "Do I have something in common with them?" The answer was no to OWS. It didn't matter what they were protesting about, what matter was the perspective and conclusion the American people drew from those protesting if you get what I mean.
 
iguanaman said:
That 80% got healthcare insurance through their employers so if they lost their job they lost their insurance. That is the utopia you will miss?
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Go get another job.
 
j-mac said:
No doubt, but you realize you just sunk your own argument then?
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not really. i would actually pay for single payer, unlike what this and previous administrations have done with everything. you can scroll upthread to find my post and read some ideas i've presented.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, occupy wall street was totally misguided. We shouldn't be focused on the corporations, but the government that makes laws that support those corporations. Companies have no loyalty to the American people, while our politicians swore an oath to protect and serve and to represent their constituency.

It should have been occupy capital hill. All the occupy wallstreet whiners did was cry that they wanted higher taxes, IE: give the corrupt government more money. Ridiculous.
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The problem is that the system is set up in such a way that corporations are considered people so those politicians are taking care of their wealthy constituents.
 
Rocketman said:
OWS was nothing more than a bunch of lazy ass college kids and grads wanting something for nothing
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I thought they wanted good paying jobs. Their grandparents, parents, the government and the university promised they would get good paying jobs once they graduated. Unmet expectations is the only cause of frustration.

This lie is fun to believe. We have to keep younger kids from believing that they will get good paying jobs once they graduate college. I don't know how we get them to quit believing this lie. How? We can't stop the liars. We have to stop people from being converted to the number two religion in America.

#1 Religion in America = Health Insurance Worship
#2 Religion in America = College Education Worship
#3 Religion in America = Christianity

vasuderatorrent
 
vasuderatorrent said:
I thought they wanted good paying jobs. Their grandparents, parents, the government and the university promised they would get good paying jobs once they graduated. Unmet expectations is the only cause of frustration.

This lie is fun to believe. We have to keep younger kids from believing that they will get good paying jobs once they graduate college. I don't know how we get them to quit believing this lie. How? We can't stop the liars. We have to stop people from being converted to the number two religion in America.

#1 Religion in America = Health Insurance Worship
#2 Religion in America = College Education Worship
#3 Religion in America = Christianity

vasuderatorrent
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Barrack Obama saying that they are dependent children until the age of 26 probably describes the generational differences as much as anything. It seems many want to turn the entire country into a national day care center, and politicians will naturally promise it to them.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Business exist to make money. There are no morals involved in the process. All insurance companies in the United States could shut down tomorrow. That would be a morally superior option. You seem to have insurance companies mixed up with charities. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I knew people believed this crap but I never saw it with such sincerity. Very weird.

vasuderatorrent
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A national health policy that allows 45,000 people per year to die because the insurance company death panels deny them coverage is immoral. The problem with it is thinking that private health insurance companies can properly balance their profit desire with good public health policy and obviously they can't. Good public health policy would require that the 45,000 people who die each year because of not being granted a health ins. policy, in fact be granted a good health ins. policy. The end conclusion is that we don't need private health insurance companies putting their profit motive before peoples lives. There are institutions that work best without a profit motive. The goal of the military is not profit, it is victory (if it is profit, then the Iraq war was a total failure). The goal of a good national health care policy should be to save as many people as the society can save within the resources we have to dedicate to that goal. When you look at single payer systems like Canada, they don't even have health insurance companies (and Canada devotes 11% of GDP to healthcare vs. 17% of US GDP and they take care of EVERYONE). That right there tells you what you need to know, in reality we don't need them at all, so their profit motive is unimportant if they are unnecessary. But they are in the current healthcare system, they employ a lot of lobbyist, and they were left in the system to minimize the degree of change at this time.
 
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finebead said:
A national health policy that allows 45,000 people per year to die because the insurance company death panels deny them coverage is immoral.
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Tell them to shut down their insurance company to avoid being so immoral. Wait, you already did.

vasuderatorrent
 
Boo Radley said:
Prove you am up nonsense? :lamo:lamo:lamo

Read the original post I replied to. It says it all.
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I knew you couldn't, but that's ok, you people never can.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
That's a great idea. I want a job that pays $100,000 per year. I'll just go get one. It sounds easy.

vasuderatorrent
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Of course it's not easy! Who ever said it's supposed to be easy?
 
apdst said:
Of course it's not easy! Who ever said it's supposed to be easy?
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Your flippant response of "get another job" makes it seem like you believe great jobs are just out there and easy to achieve, yet you say it's not easy. You realize many, in fact most Americans will work very hard and never achieve the American dream. You talk like it's easy and then acknowledge it's not. Perhaps you should make up your mind.
 
apdst said:
I knew you couldn't, but that's ok, you people never can.
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It's too easy. I could point to myself, you're already proven wrong. Your logic is so flawed that it's just too damn easy.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
I thought they wanted good paying jobs. Their grandparents, parents, the government and the university promised they would get good paying jobs once they graduated. Unmet expectations is the only cause of frustration.

This lie is fun to believe. We have to keep younger kids from believing that they will get good paying jobs once they graduate college. I don't know how we get them to quit believing this lie. How? We can't stop the liars. We have to stop people from being converted to the number two religion in America.

#1 Religion in America = Health Insurance Worship
#2 Religion in America = College Education Worship
#3 Religion in America = Christianity

vasuderatorrent
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One way is to make them pay as they go to school instead of borrowing all that damn money. They learn responsibility as they go.
 
Rocketman said:
One way is to make them pay as they go to school instead of borrowing all that damn money. They learn responsibility as they go.
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I don't disagree, but remember it will likely lead to fewer going.
 
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