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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Moving the goal post to get away from your posts may work on your side of asile but not here.
    That doesn't answer that either, though together we moved on to another more nuanced point.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    If a medicaid recipient begins to earn more, above a predefined standard, then they can afford to pay for their ins. That's only proper. Of course the private ins. company death panels used to have the right to refuse to cover them, which was immoral, and that has been corrected by Obamacare.

    What do you think should have happened when people worked and earned more money and they exceeded the income level that was set to qualify for medicaid???

    Well if they were one dollar under the upper limit and was on Medicaid then made two dollars more and now, "If a medicaid recipient begins to earn more, above a predefined standard, then they can afford to pay for their ins. That's only proper.", why didn't they buy their own insurance to begin with? The government death panels now refuse to insure them. Over two dollars. Completely heartless by your standards.

    But the current government death panels have nothing on the government death panels that will be employed by the government when the liars that forced Obamadon'tcare on us switch us over to single payer.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Here is a true story.

    Back in 1984 my father had a brain tumor at age 28. He had no insurance. He had brain surgery to remove the tumor. The total cost out of his pocket was $3,000. He kept his house and his credit remained immaculate. The insurance company didn't pay for his medical expenses. My dad didn't pay for his medical expenses. Society didn't throw my dad out in the cold to die. This happened 26 years before the Affordable Health Care Act was signed into law.

    I'm sorry. I don't see what the problem is. My dad is still alive. He's broke too but it's not because of his medical bills. He paid all of those. He paid all $3,000 of his medical bills. I don't know what brain surgery did cost in 1984 but I bet it cost more than $3,000.

    Are you accusing insurance companies of being heartless? or Are you accusing society of being heartless? An insurance company is a business. Society is comprised of people that care about each other.

    When you continue to talk about the immorality of the insurance company I get really confused. Morals are irrelevant when you are focusing on surviving. A company has to make a profit in order to survive. Otherwise they will shut down their insurance company and nobody will get coverage. Is that less moral to deny coverage to every single human being by shutting your doors? or Is it more moral because nobody would have evidence of your heartless death panels?

    I hate it that you don't understand the purpose of an insurance company. It has nothing to do with saving lives. The hospital does that part. Insurance is a financial product. This is my last attempt to explain to you what the purpose of an insurance company is. If you refuse to understand or cannot understand I am not the proper person to teach you to think.

    This is my last post on this issue. You win.

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    I am sorry that you don't understand that an insurance company is one component that exists in SOME healthcare systems, and it is unnecessary and does not exist in all healthcare systems.

    I understand very well how insurance works.

    I understand that the goal of the healthcare system may or may not be consistent with the inclusion of a health insurance function.

    I understand that there are other ways to run a health insurance company beside the way they have been run the last 30 years in the US. This is NOT a binary problem / solution set, there are many options.

    I understand that to have a good overall healthcare system that meets the needs of the people you have to start with the goals of the healthcare system, not start with the requirement that the health insurance companies are guaranteed a certain profit margin. If we eliminated the health insurance companies and the high profit margin they make via essentially a guarantee since they can kick off customers who cost them a lot, we would have more money in the system to spend on actual health care for the people; the health insurance companies are just a pass through collecting money and paying the hospitals and providers.

    I understand that what happened to your Dad 30 years ago has nothing to do with the way the world operates today.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Well if they were one dollar under the upper limit and was on Medicaid then made two dollars more and now, "If a medicaid recipient begins to earn more, above a predefined standard, then they can afford to pay for their ins. That's only proper.", why didn't they buy their own insurance to begin with? The government death panels now refuse to insure them. Over two dollars. Completely heartless by your standards.

    But the current government death panels have nothing on the government death panels that will be employed by the government when the liars that forced Obamadon'tcare on us switch us over to single payer.
    There has to be a standard, otherwise how would you determine who gets free care and who does not? Describe the system that you advocate, I may like it.

    Do you agree that the health insurance companies have had death panels for years that deny people coverage because they have a pre-existing condition, or rescind policies of people that cost them too much, and that not being able to get a health insurance policy when you have a very serious illness leads to pre-mature death?

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. But we can look at per capita and make some reasonable assumptions. It's logical if next to all pay less than us, we too would likely pay less. And we can design it to do so as well, once we quit with the demonizing and mindless ideas that accompany these debates.
    Proving once again that you are really not open to any ideas other than the one your dear leader, and his group of congressional thugs already shoved down our throats in the middle of the night.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Proving once again that you are really not open to any ideas other than the one your dear leader, and his group of congressional thugs already shoved down our throats in the middle of the night.
    I'm always dumbfounded when you go off like this. One,I that's nothing to do with what I said. Two, it's hyperbolic beyond belief. And third, you didn't present any other idea.

    Damn son!

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    There has to be a standard, otherwise how would you determine who gets free care and who does not? Describe the system that you advocate, I may like it.

    Do you agree that the health insurance companies have had death panels for years that deny people coverage because they have a pre-existing condition, or rescind policies of people that cost them too much, and that not being able to get a health insurance policy when you have a very serious illness leads to pre-mature death?
    Oh stop....Good grief, I mean really, it sounds just like listening to the democrat congress critter on the sunday show I listened to this morning.

    Look, There are individual problems with the system we had, like Pre existing condition cancellations, does that mean that we needed to have a 2700 page bill, now law that no one can read through without a law degree, not to mention 80,000 new regulations? There is **** hidden in this law that is going to absolutely kill health care in this country, and severely attack capitalism at its core.

    Tell me why the 70 year old couple needs maternity care? You can't. This is absurd.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm always dumbfounded when you go off like this. One,I that's nothing to do with what I said. Two, it's hyperbolic beyond belief. And third, you didn't present any other idea.

    Damn son!
    It's not up to me to dig you out of your hole...What I responded to was directly aimed at the quote I provided by you. I can't help it if you can't follow logic.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's not up to me to dig you out of your hole...What I responded to was directly aimed at the quote I provided by you. I can't help it if you can't follow logic.
    And your not really answering this one either. J, there was no logic in your response. That's the point, and I laid out exactly why. If we're being honest about holes, you may want to re-read.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And your not really answering this one either. J, there was no logic in your response. That's the point, and I laid out exactly why. If we're being honest about holes, you may want to re-read.
    What is it about liberalism that makes people that are generally intelligent, ignore simple logic?
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