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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

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    Never said required.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

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    Never said required.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    no degree required
    Again, no one is debating that. I said many are getting them anyway, and nothing about being required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, no one is debating that. I said many are getting them anyway, and nothing about being required.
    so why are you still talking about it?

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    so why are you still talking about it?
    Just making sure you understood the point. Your post put that in doubt.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Just making sure you understood the point. Your post put that in doubt.
    My original post was degrees were not required to be successful, evidently I was the only one that understood that.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    It is common philosophy in business to take care of your pennies and nickels. The dollars will take care of themselves.

    If you see an opportunity to save 1 cent, then you take it. If you see an opportunity to save your company $5,000,000 you take it. Giving someone an insurance policy that cost $50,000 per month to a customer that will cost you $5,000,000 is a bad business decision. I can't explain every possible scenario that is encountered in the insurance industry. It is a very complicated business.

    I guess I don't totally understand what argument you are making. Are you saying society should shoulder the expense to care for the sick and injured? Are you saying that the insurance companies should shoulder the expense to care for the sick and injured? I agree with the first one. I disagree with the second one.

    You seem to be pretty intelligent. Suggesting that a company should factor in altruistic motives into their business model is completely ludicrous. Surely I am misunderstanding your comments.

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    We need a healthcare system that meets the needs of the people and does not let private company profit motives ahead of saving peoples lives. That's immoral. The health ins. companies have demonstrated for years they are immoral and their death panels have allowed thousands of citizens to die prematurely on an annual basis by rejecting their application for health ins. or rescinding their policy, based on the death panels assessment that the person will cost them too much. That's immoral and that is what they do. The system has to be changed and it has by federal law. The health ins. companies said the way to do this is if they have to cover all the sick people, then the way to minimize the premiums is that everyone has to be in the system, hence the individual mandate. I am not specifying the nature of the system. We can do it with the individual mandate and private health ins. companies, or we can go single payer, but what we cannot do is allow the profit motive of private corporations and the rules THEY set for the system which primarily have been set up to guarantee their profit, to condemn thousands of sick people who have the money to pay for a normal health insurance premium to be denied coverage and go off and die prematurely. It's wrong, and enough people saw that, so they elected enough people in congress and the white house to change the old immoral system so we have a healthcare system that actually meets the needs of the people, all the people including the sick and the poor.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    My original post was degrees were not required to be successful, evidently I was the only one that understood that.
    Understood that completely, but that fact had nothing to with what I said.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Understood that completely, but that fact had nothing to with what I said.
    Moving the goal post to get away from your posts may work on your side of asile but not here.

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    I would love to see the number of those without degrees who have been that successful today. Can you show me those?

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    We need a healthcare system that meets the needs of the people and does not let private company profit motives ahead of saving peoples lives. That's immoral. The health ins. companies have demonstrated for years they are immoral and their death panels have allowed thousands of citizens to die prematurely on an annual basis by rejecting their application for health ins. or rescinding their policy, based on the death panels assessment that the person will cost them too much. That's immoral and that is what they do. The system has to be changed and it has by federal law. The health ins. companies said the way to do this is if they have to cover all the sick people, then the way to minimize the premiums is that everyone has to be in the system, hence the individual mandate. I am not specifying the nature of the system. We can do it with the individual mandate and private health ins. companies, or we can go single payer, but what we cannot do is allow the profit motive of private corporations and the rules THEY set for the system which primarily have been set up to guarantee their profit, to condemn thousands of sick people who have the money to pay for a normal health insurance premium to be denied coverage and go off and die prematurely. It's wrong, and enough people saw that, so they elected enough people in congress and the white house to change the old immoral system so we have a healthcare system that actually meets the needs of the people, all the people including the sick and the poor.
    Here is a true story.

    Back in 1984 my father had a brain tumor at age 28. He had no insurance. He had brain surgery to remove the tumor. The total cost out of his pocket was $3,000. He kept his house and his credit remained immaculate. The insurance company didn't pay for his medical expenses. My dad didn't pay for his medical expenses. Society didn't throw my dad out in the cold to die. This happened 26 years before the Affordable Health Care Act was signed into law.

    I'm sorry. I don't see what the problem is. My dad is still alive. He's broke too but it's not because of his medical bills. He paid all of those. He paid all $3,000 of his medical bills. I don't know what brain surgery did cost in 1984 but I bet it cost more than $3,000.

    Are you accusing insurance companies of being heartless? or Are you accusing society of being heartless? An insurance company is a business. Society is comprised of people that care about each other.

    When you continue to talk about the immorality of the insurance company I get really confused. Morals are irrelevant when you are focusing on surviving. A company has to make a profit in order to survive. Otherwise they will shut down their insurance company and nobody will get coverage. Is that less moral to deny coverage to every single human being by shutting your doors? or Is it more moral because nobody would have evidence of your heartless death panels?

    I hate it that you don't understand the purpose of an insurance company. It has nothing to do with saving lives. The hospital does that part. Insurance is a financial product. This is my last attempt to explain to you what the purpose of an insurance company is. If you refuse to understand or cannot understand I am not the proper person to teach you to think.

    This is my last post on this issue. You win.

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