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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Wait! Is your point that Single Payer Insurance is superior to a capitalistic model for health care?
    Define superior.

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    Is your point that companies should lose money?
    No. Do you believe it is necessary to dump sick people in order for the health ins. companies to make money? If that was true, the health ins. industry would not have played as big a role as their lobbyist did in writing the Obamacare legislation. It is not true that if you insure the sick people you must lose money; do you think that is the only way the industry can be structured, and if so, please explain that.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I agree overall, but I do not everybody needs to go. People that go into massive amounts of debt for education should be held accountable for their choices.

    Electricians, plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, and masons are all a big part of our society and all pay as good or better than a business major.
    For the record, those require education as well.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For the record, those require education as well.
    None of those jobs "require" a degree

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post



    No. Do you believe it is necessary to dump sick people in order for the health ins. companies to make money? If that was true, the health ins. industry would not have played as big a role as their lobbyist did in writing the Obamacare legislation. It is not true that if you insure the sick people you must lose money; do you think that is the only way the industry can be structured, and if so, please explain that.
    Who "dumps" more people, insurance companies or the government and their Medicaid program? Sick or healthy, a person ends up making one cent more than allowed and the government kicks them to the curb. They still will with Obamadon'tcare. But that's all part of the plan by Democrats to keep and control people on their plantation.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    None of those jobs "require" a degree
    I didn't say degree. I said education, however I can show degrees for each. I'll start with one:

    Electrician Colleges

    Electrician majors learn how to maintain, install, operate and repair electrical wiring and electrical machines in factories, businesses, construction sites and homes. Classroom instruction includes skills in installing wiring systems, reading blueprints, installing telecommunications equipment, repairing electric equipment, repairing transformers and assessing the safety of equipment.

    Electrician Schools - Find Electrician Degrees, Colleges and Programs

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't say degree. I said education, however I can show degrees for each. I'll start with one:

    Electrician Colleges

    Electrician majors learn how to maintain, install, operate and repair electrical wiring and electrical machines in factories, businesses, construction sites and homes. Classroom instruction includes skills in installing wiring systems, reading blueprints, installing telecommunications equipment, repairing electric equipment, repairing transformers and assessing the safety of equipment.

    Electrician Schools - Find Electrician Degrees, Colleges and Programs
    Most electricians, plumbers, carpenters and masons learn their trade starting as laborers. They work their way up and eventually leave to start their own busineses.

    A guy I went to high school with will be retiring next year from his plumbing business and he is not even 50 yet.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Most electricians, plumbers, carpenters and masons learn their trade starting as laborers. They work their way up and eventually leave to start their own busineses.

    A guy I went to high school with will be retiring next year from his plumbing business and he is not even 50 yet.
    Not sure that's true. Under Wiki answers, one reported that today most go to school. But I'd be interested in any numbers you have.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    Define superior.



    No. Do you believe it is necessary to dump sick people in order for the health ins. companies to make money? If that was true, the health ins. industry would not have played as big a role as their lobbyist did in writing the Obamacare legislation. It is not true that if you insure the sick people you must lose money; do you think that is the only way the industry can be structured, and if so, please explain that.
    It is common philosophy in business to take care of your pennies and nickels. The dollars will take care of themselves.

    If you see an opportunity to save 1 cent, then you take it. If you see an opportunity to save your company $5,000,000 you take it. Giving someone an insurance policy that cost $50,000 per month to a customer that will cost you $5,000,000 is a bad business decision. I can't explain every possible scenario that is encountered in the insurance industry. It is a very complicated business.

    I guess I don't totally understand what argument you are making. Are you saying society should shoulder the expense to care for the sick and injured? Are you saying that the insurance companies should shoulder the expense to care for the sick and injured? I agree with the first one. I disagree with the second one.

    You seem to be pretty intelligent. Suggesting that a company should factor in altruistic motives into their business model is completely ludicrous. Surely I am misunderstanding your comments.

    vasuderatorrent

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that's true. Under Wiki answers, one reported that today most go to school. But I'd be interested in any numbers you have.
    No degree required:

    3 Ways to Become a Licensed Electrician - wikiHow

    no degree reuired:

    Brick Masons: Employment Info and Requirements for Starting a Career in Brick Masonry

    on the job training:

    Construction: Educational Requirements for Becoming a Plumber

    on the job training again, damn I thought everyone knew these things:

    Carpenter Career Education and Training Requirements

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Who "dumps" more people, insurance companies or the government and their Medicaid program? Sick or healthy, a person ends up making one cent more than allowed and the government kicks them to the curb. They still will with Obamadon'tcare. But that's all part of the plan by Democrats to keep and control people on their plantation.
    If a medicaid recipient begins to earn more, above a predefined standard, then they can afford to pay for their ins. That's only proper. Of course the private ins. company death panels used to have the right to refuse to cover them, which was immoral, and that has been corrected by Obamacare.

    What do you think should have happened when people worked and earned more money and they exceeded the income level that was set to qualify for medicaid???

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