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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think all Americans should have adequate healthcare. I think we should have a UHC system and hope ACA is a step along the way.
    I agree completely.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think all Americans should have adequate healthcare. I think we should have a UHC system and hope ACA is a step along the way.
    The majority of Americans oppose a single payer system.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But spending less hurts us?
    You'll need to provide more information on what you are talking about.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Oregon checking in....

    "Officials for Oregon's health insurance exchange on Thursday reported some progress, but acknowledged a major fix to the problem-plagued site may not happen this month as hoped.The website still has not enrolled anyone."

    Cover Oregon: some significant progress fixing health exchange: still no enrollment; feds delay penalty deadline | OregonLive.com

    0, zip, nada! ....Wow, that's gotta sting....
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You'll need to provide more information on what you are talking about.
    If other countries pay less, why would we do better paying more? No matter how their financial state is, they still spend less. So,what is the logic in using paying more?

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If other countries pay less, why would we do better paying more? No matter how their financial state is, they still spend less. So,what is the logic in using paying more?
    Too simplistic...Are all countries the same?
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Only in some cases, but not in all cases. Generics are far cheaper in the US.

    I think people downplay the effect of having the US economy as the early adopters for medical technology, but if we went UHC we would cease to play that role.
    moving to UHC doesn't mean innovation is going to halt or that the industry is not going to make money. it does mean, however, that costs will be forced down, which is exactly what needs to happen.

    either way, the PPACA is still a lousy, haphazard way to deliver universal coverage. the only less efficient system i can think of is the UHC we have had since 1986 when Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. that law basically gave us UHC, which is currently delivered in emergency rooms and is paid for by all of us via our premiums. why anyone would support either this or the employer-specific delivery system is simply stunning. innovation? imagine how many businesses are not created because the entrepreneur does not want to lose his or her coverage while the business starts up, and doesn't have the funds to buy health insurance for employees. i'd say the number is probably staggering. you're currently speaking to one of them. i'd like to take my biotech skills independent, but there's no way i'm going to give up my good coverage for some ****ty safe auto PLPD plan while putting all of my other assets on the line, as well. we're the only first world country where this is even an issue.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    moving to UHC doesn't mean innovation is going to halt or that the industry is not going to make money. it does mean, however, that costs will be forced down, which is exactly what needs to happen.

    either way, the PPACA is still a lousy, haphazard way to deliver universal coverage. the only less efficient system i can think of is the UHC we have had since 1986 when Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. that law basically gave us UHC, which is currently delivered in emergency rooms and is paid for by all of us via our premiums. why anyone would support either this or the employer-specific delivery system is simply stunning. innovation? imagine how many businesses are not created because the entrepreneur does not want to lose his or her coverage while the business starts up, and doesn't have the funds to buy health insurance for employees. i'd say the number is probably staggering. you're currently speaking to one of them. i'd like to take my biotech skills independent, but there's no way i'm going to give up my good coverage for some ****ty safe auto PLPD plan while putting all of my other assets on the line, as well. we're the only first world country where this is even an issue.
    And the others are broke.
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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And the others are broke.
    so are we.

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    Re: Florida Blue cutting 300K policies

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    A lot of these policies were cheap, but they didn't have full coverage, and that's one of the things decided in the law, is that policies had to meet minimum, essential benefits,” said McClanahan.
    It sounds like not only forcing everyone to buy a car but also requiring that every car has air conditioning, cruise control, power windows, etc. even if the person doesn't want a car and if they did, they wouldn't want all those extra features. For example, why would a single, healthy male want health insurance that has maternity care and mental health coverage?
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