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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If someone goes to trial for a murder are you seriously saying if they can pay and don't get a lawyer they just sit there in trial without one? I don't think so. ( I will error and say if I am wrong I haven't seen one personally)
    Well most things do not end up at trial. What would probably happen is the DA would try to strike a deal with the person to avoid trial in that case. If you want to go to trial on the public dime they do make sure you are legitimately poor. The arraignment process and deal making without a trial are different matters which could be handled without a lawyer, or even with the public defender just explaining things to the defendant right in court. I am just telling yopu how it works in the real world as I have been through the system a few times. And no I am not a lawyer. I got to experience it from the defendant's side.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I don't understand this never-ending feud to begin with. If the fetus has a soul, well to the religious it's with god now, so who cares? To anyone else, it keeps population less catastrophically out of control.
    False dichotomy.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, the woman should be charged with using a script unauthorized, not with anything else. She should receive the same punishment as anyone else abusing a script. Nothing else.

    Let me ask you, if you think the woman should be charged, do you think the father should be charged to, because after all where was he?
    It seems that you have not read the article and that you have no idea what I'm referring to.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yes, this has and will continue to happen. In wisconsin, i think it's $3000 salary means you "can afford an attorney." Well good luck finding one to take a murder trial with say $4000. In this case, they have to defend themselves. The system is that ****ed.
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    938.23(3)

    (3) Power of the court to appoint counsel. Except as provided in this subsection, at any time, upon request or on its own motion, the court may appoint counsel for the juvenile or any party, unless the juvenile or the party has or wishes to retain counsel of his or her own choosing.

    - See more at: 938.23 Right to counsel. - Wisconsin Statutes
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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I don't understand this never-ending feud to begin with. If the fetus has a soul, well to the religious it's with god now, so who cares? To anyone else, it keeps population less catastrophically out of control.
    Population control arguments only damage your cause. If we assume that all religions are false, and that this life is all there is, it is still reasonable to value the life of the unborn and be pro-life. If the individuals are religious the argument you presented lacks all merit, as someone ending the life of another is going against the will of god, and of course that is a sin.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-25-13 at 04:43 AM.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If we assume that all religions are false, and that this life is all there is, it is still reasonable to value the life of the unborn and be pro-life.
    Except when we do so, inevitably, at the expense of the life and the liberty of born women.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    The state really does believe in socialized medicine, just as long as they get to lock you away first.

    Wouldn't it be cheaper if the state simply paid for her meds/physician supervision without incarcerating her ?

    She couldn't afford insurance/proper treatment, now she will get it all free along with room and board, courtesy of taxpayers.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    This will be struck down in the courts, that's not what bugs me.

    What bothers me is that no matter how extreme this non-sense gets, there are still people who come to the defense of the state.

    There is NO HOPE for our country. It's going up in smoke thanks to extremism, and at this point we ****ing deserve it.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If a fetus is found to be causing harm to its mother, will it be tried as an adult or a minor? If it is tried as a minor and found guilty, will it be sent to a juvenile detention center? If it is tried as an adult, is execution on the table if the transgression is severe enough? Will it exercise its right to choose counsel? I'm just asking - considering a fetus is a person and all. I'd like to know just how a fetus, being a person and all, is supposed to be punished if it is found to be harming its mother.

    Here's one that'll blow your mind.

    What if someone has twins or triplets, and one fetus starts physically abusing the other?

    Or in the case of triplets, one fetus takes the other two hostage with an AR-15?, would that be considered a "barracaded suspect".

    When do police intervene in those cases?

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law - U.S. News

    This is the logical conclusion of the misguided belief that fetuses have rights.
    It is impossible to give rights to a being growing inside a person's body without violating that person's rights
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    Correct.

    Anyone who doesn't see this is out of touch with reality.

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