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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I do not support a ban on abortion.

    I do, however, point out that pretending the "violation" of rights is something terrible is nonsense, as the balancing of rights and thus restriction of them is inherent to society and the basis of our justice system. People's rights are "violated" (read: restricted) all the time, it's nothing new.
    Well you have to admit those on the right are quick to point to "violation" of rights when it comes to laws that come from the left. So did you expect differently from the left to point to violations from the right in that same regard?

    I actually agree with you especially in abortion cases, you are going to violate one's side rights. Either the right of the fetus or the right of woman. Which one is greater? That is the eternal argument.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I actually agree with you especially in abortion cases, you are going to violate one's side rights. Either the right of the fetus or the right of woman. Which one is greater? That is the eternal argument.
    The balancing (and restricting) of rights is the basis of every justice system. Of course, someone who sees a fetus as less than an animal and without any rights would have a hard time recognizing the exercise therein.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course, someone who sees a fetus as less than an animal and without any rights would have a hard time recognizing the exercise therein.
    I don't see the fetus as less than an animal, but at the same time I don't think it's greater than the woman's right who has to go through the mental and physical changes either. I see the woman as having the greater right over the fetus since she has to go through the mental and physical changes of childbirth possibly against her will while the man doesn't.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law - U.S. News

    This is the logical conclusion of the misguided belief that fetuses have rights. It is impossible to give rights to a being growing inside a person's body without violating that person's rights.
    You are right, this case shows how the radical religious right goes way to far and actually destroys lives for no reason under some notion that it is for the greater good. Really, how is it in the child's best interest that their parent has been fired from their job, will have a felony conviction, and will not be able to raise the child in a good environment because they were so hell bent on punishing a woman for having sex. It is sick and depraived. The people who did this to that mother should be ashamed of themselves, but they are not. They are proud of what they have done. They have destroyed one life, and severely set back the life they were trying to protect. That is not compassion, love, or anything noble and good. It is pure spiteful bossiness.

    I hope this woman gets off and comes back and sues the town, state, and any organization that encouraged and supported this action for a good hefty sum. She deserves it.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    If she had taken responsiblity and ceased her addiction, how could she be harming her baby? I believe that a pre-born human does have rights and it appears to me that she was doing what she thought was best for herself and her baby, so I fail to see the problem. I also don't understand how she was not given a court-appointed lawyer as I thought, from watching American shows, that this is an essential part of your justice system. I guess I was wrong. Australians do not have an automatic right to have a lawyer provided by the court, but a judge (I think) has to postpone a case until a person can find legal representaion.
    We also don't have a Bill of Rights (thank goodness).
    You are not automatically given a lawyer, you have to file and be approved to be represented by the pathetic court appointed lawyers.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    I think we should all be allowed to use other people's scripts and no one should be able to do anything about it.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think we should all be allowed to use other people's scripts and no one should be able to do anything about it.
    You have said some insane things, but please justify how your comments here legally should happen?

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You have said some insane things, but please justify how your comments here legally should happen?
    You didn't read the article?

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You are not automatically given a lawyer, you have to file and be approved to be represented by the pathetic court appointed lawyers.
    I think you are mistaken here, because I do believe someone who has been deemed "possibly" unstable is given someone automatically to defend them in some cases.

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    re: Shackled and pregnant: Wis. case challenges 'fetal protection' law [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You didn't read the article?
    Waiting for your justification since you claimed it.

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