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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

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    Salutations, Polgara. If there is a Big Foot, he is bound to live in the hills of WV

    To stray back on topic though,as for Manchin, the sad reality is that most people outside WV would not know who he is had it not been for the Sago Mine Disaster. I question whether or not he would have even won his seat had it not been for his spiritual/emotional leadership in that sad episode. Capito v. Tennant should be an interesting Senate race next year. Two mountain ladies slugging it out will be a thing to watch. I expect the GOP to pick up Rockefeller's seat in the end.
    I like Manchin, as I have posted many times! We need more like him! One of my best friends grew up in W VA, and if those gals are anything like her, it will indeed be fun to watch!

    I realize that BHO was trying to appease the greenies... who apparently want to take us back to the good old days when we didn't have electricity, but somehow we will all be able to live happily ever after without it ... but to arbitrarily shut down an industry that put a lot of people out of work wasn't the most well-thought-out move he's ever made. The coal industry has advanced, and they have the technology to insure that coal is no more dirty than any other big business these days. Odd...

    Greetings, Fisher.

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

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    Strange how that works. That brings up something else that very few people talk about and that is the trade deficit. We send a huge amount of money overseas creating a ton of jobs in foreign countries and helping their economy while doing just the opposite here. Not only should we be concentrating on how to handle the debt but also doing something about the trade deficit.
    As a wealthy nation it is natural that we import more than we export. The aggregate numbers are not the problem IMO. As far as I am concerned, I see the problem is that Washington will screw over whole industries to encourage the exports of a single corporation's products. "They can't afford our cars and weapons if they have no money, so here let's send them all our textiles and furniture manufacturing plants. Screw them--they are mostly in the South anyway. Damn Red Staters aren't real Americans to begin with."

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I like Manchin, as I have posted many times! We need more like him! One of my best friends grew up in W VA, and if those gals are anything like her, it will indeed be fun to watch!

    I realize that BHO was trying to appease the greenies... who apparently want to take us back to the good old days when we didn't have electricity, but somehow we will all be able to live happily ever after without it ... but to arbitrarily shut down an industry that put a lot of people out of work wasn't the most well-thought-out move he's ever made. The coal industry has advanced, and they have the technology to insure that coal is no more dirty than any other big business these days. Odd...

    Greetings, Fisher.
    I just heard on the news that Manchin, moderate Democrat is working with one of my senator's, Johnny Isakson a moderate Republican to craft a bill to delay the mandates a year. They are taking a bi-partisan approach with compromises. Now the question is since there are so many die hard's on both sides who put their parties agenda above everything else to include country, will it succeed? Does it even have a chance of success? I doubt it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I like Manchin, as I have posted many times! We need more like him! One of my best friends grew up in W VA, and if those gals are anything like her, it will indeed be fun to watch!

    I realize that BHO was trying to appease the greenies... who apparently want to take us back to the good old days when we didn't have electricity, but somehow we will all be able to live happily ever after without it ... but to arbitrarily shut down an industry that put a lot of people out of work wasn't the most well-thought-out move he's ever made. The coal industry has advanced, and they have the technology to insure that coal is no more dirty than any other big business these days. Odd...

    Greetings, Fisher.

    Coal is an odd issue in that state. Mountain Top removal has some real environmental consequences beyond just cutting down trees. Fortunately, the companies themselves have been moving away from that. Coal is a sporadic industry even under the best of circumstances. A miner might only work a few months here and a few months there, but they can pull in some serious cash which is like being a doctor in a rural state like that. $50-$60K a year for 6-8 months semi-skilled work is not income that will be replaced when the jobs are lost for good. There will never be anything that replaces a coal economy in parts of WV and KY.

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    As a wealthy nation it is natural that we import more than we export. The aggregate numbers are not the problem IMO. As far as I am concerned, I see the problem is that Washington will screw over whole industries to encourage the exports of a single corporation's products. "They can't afford our cars and weapons if they have no money, so here let's send them all our textiles and furniture manufacturing plants. Screw them--they are mostly in the South anyway. Damn Red Staters aren't real Americans to begin with."
    You can add electronics to that mix too. TV's, VCR's DVD's radio's. Steel and coal industries have basically been regulated out of business here.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I just heard on the news that Manchin, moderate Democrat is working with one of my senator's, Johnny Isakson a moderate Republican to craft a bill to delay the mandates a year. They are taking a bi-partisan approach with compromises. Now the question is since there are so many die hard's on both sides who put their parties agenda above everything else to include country, will it succeed? Does it even have a chance of success? I doubt it.
    Well, you saw what happened with the recent bill that Senator Collins and her Dem colleague offered to end the shutdown. It was a reasonable compromise, but Reid cherry-picked it, and chose the one thing in the bill that no one wanted! Nuff said....Have they gotten wiser in a few weeks? Do pigs fly?....

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Well, you saw what happened with the recent bill that Senator Collins and her Dem colleague offered to end the shutdown. It was a reasonable compromise, but Reid cherry-picked it, and chose the one thing in the bill that no one wanted! Nuff said....Have they gotten wiser in a few weeks? Do pigs fly?....
    I know, but was then the Democrats had the Republicans on the ropes and Reid didn't want to let them get off the ropes. purely a political ploy in my book. I heard on the radio another poll was out on the ACA, not sure whose as I can't find it on the internet, but it said 60% now think the ACA is a joke while 37% still favor it. Their words, not mine. I will keep searching.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    A single man is not a sign of a trend.

    Also delaying the individual mandate would be the dumbest thing that could be done with this law, worse than repealing it, since the individual mandate is a big part of what pays for the law in the first place. Its unpopular sure, but keeping your child on your insurance till he's 26, not being denied for pre-existing conditions, etc is not free.
    So the folks that supposedly love the "little guy" and hate the "corporations" support postponing the mandate for those they hate, but are against postponing it for those they love.

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So the folks that supposedly love the "little guy" and hate the "corporations" support postponing the mandate for those they hate, but are against postponing it for those they love.

    IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What are you talking about?

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    Re: Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Delay Of Obamacare's Employer Mandate Exacerbates An Already Bad Situation - Forbes
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