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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I stand corrected, they were blocking sidewalks. If that was the crime they say it was, isn't arrest the proper remedy?
    As far as I am aware the protesters were arrested, and during the course of this, it is not uncommon for LE to attempt to defuse, and disperse the crowd through non lethal methods like this. IIRC, the chancellor of the University had allowed the protest to go on for a period of time, and then made the decision to have the police remove the demonstration from the quad. And gave ample opportunity for the people occupying that space to vacate on their own. They refused at every turn to follow lawful orders to dismantle, and disperse. That caused these events to take place.

    Why torture first?
    I don't believe it was "torture".... The demonstrators were in charge of what happened to them, and could have avoided this outcome repeatedly. Situations of "torture", victims have no control. That was not the case here.

    Sadistic tendencies, that's why, the Lucifer Effect in play.
    I quite disagree, unless you have some ability to get in the mind, and heart of the Lt. that used the non lethal force.

    Just a question though, would you have rather had the police using batons, and billy clubs to disperse the crowd? Most certainly you would have been saying excessive force then as well, no?
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It only gives them incentive to put themselves in that position again.
    I did not realize people where unaware of how civil lawsuits work. Hint: punitive damages are considered a disincentive towards those who have to make the payment. By your rather silly argument the possibility of malpractice awards is an incentive to people to seek medical treatment in the hopes they can be improperly treated. In this case, with reviews finding that the police and school administration acted in less than ideal fashion, settling the lawsuit out of court was an easy decision by the university.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    They were sitting down, complying with police instructions and exercising their constitutional rights.

    He was the kind of cop that gives the profession a very bad image, an apparent sadist.
    The police instructions where to disperse, so no, they where not complying.

    There is no evidence of sadism, but of following his instructions and using the least force method of dispersing the crowd.

    None of that excuses what Pike was put through afterwords.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not realize people where unaware of how civil lawsuits work. Hint: punitive damages are considered a disincentive towards those who have to make the payment. By your rather silly argument the possibility of malpractice awards is an incentive to people to seek medical treatment in the hopes they can be improperly treated. In this case, with reviews finding that the police and school administration acted in less than ideal fashion, settling the lawsuit out of court was an easy decision by the university.
    It's just a symptom of our over litigious society.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's just a symptom of our over litigious society.
    I do not even see that. Lawsuits are how people seek redress for wrongs done to them that are not illegal. That is not a bad thing.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

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    SO we shouldn't shoot "Nazi, Racist Bigot Tea Partiers " ??? Make up your mind.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not even see that. Lawsuits are how people seek redress for wrongs done to them that are not illegal. That is not a bad thing.
    Maybe, I really am on the fence in this particular case.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe, I really am on the fence in this particular case.
    In this case, the investigation found that the school and police acted poorly. Basically, the need to disperse the crowd was not really important enough to use force. Based on that, and based on the fact that the protesters in question clearly has a significant if short lived pain inflicted on them, some sort of settlement was reasonable as a deterrent to this type action. The settlement was not overly large, so it seems fine to me.

    The crime in this is that those who found it acceptable to threaten and harass Pike are not going to be sued nor criminally prosecuted. Whether Pike acted appropriately in a stressful situation is entirely irrelevant to whether those tactics used against him later where appropriate. Some things should be universally condemned and I think that is what some people are losing sight of here.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In this case, the investigation found that the school and police acted poorly. Basically, the need to disperse the crowd was not really important enough to use force. Based on that, and based on the fact that the protesters in question clearly has a significant if short lived pain inflicted on them, some sort of settlement was reasonable as a deterrent to this type action. The settlement was not overly large, so it seems fine to me.

    The crime in this is that those who found it acceptable to threaten and harass Pike are not going to be sued nor criminally prosecuted. Whether Pike acted appropriately in a stressful situation is entirely irrelevant to whether those tactics used against him later where appropriate. Some things should be universally condemned and I think that is what some people are losing sight of here.
    On this part we can disagree, but not what the thread is about, so on the rest of what you wrote as a whole, I agree.
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    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As far as I am aware the protesters were arrested, and during the course of this, it is not uncommon for LE to attempt to defuse, and disperse the crowd through non lethal methods like this. IIRC, the chancellor of the University had allowed the protest to go on for a period of time, and then made the decision to have the police remove the demonstration from the quad. And gave ample opportunity for the people occupying that space to vacate on their own. They refused at every turn to follow lawful orders to dismantle, and disperse. That caused these events to take place.



    I don't believe it was "torture".... The demonstrators were in charge of what happened to them, and could have avoided this outcome repeatedly. Situations of "torture", victims have no control. That was not the case here.



    I quite disagree, unless you have some ability to get in the mind, and heart of the Lt. that used the non lethal force.

    Just a question though, would you have rather had the police using batons, and billy clubs to disperse the crowd? Most certainly you would have been saying excessive force then as well, no?
    I've been arrested several times, and never once had to be pepper sprayed. I know many others in the same situation over the years.

    Lucifer Effect in play by at least one perverted cop. Is pepper spray better than tazer? I suppose so, if one has a heart condition.

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