Page 7 of 12 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 117

Thread: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

  1. #61
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,748

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With all due respect Henry, I remember this very well...They were sitting because the cops told them to vacate, so they squatted to protest the order, and the cop warned them at each stage what would happen if they didn't disperse....They weren't cuffed, and they were NOT ordered to sit there.

    Just so we are clear...

    "On November 18, 2011, police arrived wearing riot gear at 3:30 pm and began removing tents and arresting demonstrators obstructing the removal of tents. A group of demonstrators staged a sit-in on the walkway in the quad, linking arms together and refusing to move.[42] Campus police officers asked the demonstrators to move several times, but the students refused.[43]"

    UC Davis pepper-spray incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This is my understanding of the situation as well, but I didn't have links...
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  2. #62
    The Light of Truth
    Northern Light's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:26 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,970

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Well, karma had the guy's address apparently. Money is not going to help him sleep at night. The whole world knows who he is now and what he was guilty of doing.

    Although I suppose we owe him some credit for bringing police tyranny to everyone's attention again.

  3. #63
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,748

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Well, karma had the guy's address apparently. Money is not going to help him sleep at night. The whole world knows who he is now and what he was guilty of doing.

    Although I suppose we owe him some credit for bringing police tyranny to everyone's attention again.
    If this policeman was guilty of something, he would have been charged with something.

    That he has not been indicates to me that he is guilty of no misconduct.

    Now, it is possible that his superiors wanted to cover up some activity, but given the hype surrounding the incident, I would think that someone would have later overruled them if that were the case.

    So I'm back to "he did not do anything wrong, legally".

    Now, as to whether spraying protesters who were refusing to move was wrong, that's an entire other argument. Answering it necessarily requires delving into who told the police to remove the protesters, what rules they had to work under ("no lethal weapons" seems highly likely, among many others), why the protesters were there to begin with, etc., etc., and so forth.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  4. #64
    The Light of Truth
    Northern Light's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:26 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,970

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If this policeman was guilty of something, he would have been charged with something.
    Hiding behind the same unjust laws that allowed this policeman to disband a legal protest is the WHOLE POINT OF THE ORIGINAL DEBATE.

    The law now requires people to get permits before they can stage protests. In many cities they have to congregate in designated "protest zones". The law is broken. The protesters did nothing wrong and the university already apologized for their incorrect decision to remove them.

    Hide behind legalities all you like. You won't be defending the law when tyranny starts to affect you and the ones you love. Everyone knows what the police man did was wrong. He sprayed passive, non-violent resisters in the face in a procedure that is reserved for aggressors.

    Everyone knows it was wrong. If you can't see the inhumanity then that's YOUR problem.

  5. #65
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,748

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Hiding behind the same unjust laws that allowed this policeman to disband a legal protest is the WHOLE POINT OF THE ORIGINAL DEBATE.

    The law now requires people to get permits before they can stage protests. In many cities they have to congregate in designated "protest zones". The law is broken. The protesters did nothing wrong and the university already apologized for their incorrect decision to remove them.

    Hide behind legalities all you like. You won't be defending the law when tyranny starts to affect you and the ones you love. Everyone knows what the police man did was wrong. He sprayed passive, non-violent resisters in the face in a procedure that is reserved for aggressors.

    Everyone knows it was wrong. If you can't see the inhumanity then that's YOUR problem.
    I do not necessarily disagree with you.

    But either way, it would still not be right to heap all the hate atop one police officer, when the true blame should be aimed at the law and those who passed it.

    But humans are ever wont to blame the most visible individual.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  6. #66
    The Light of Truth
    Northern Light's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:26 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,970

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I do not necessarily disagree with you.

    But either way, it would still not be right to heap all the hate atop one police officer, when the true blame should be aimed at the law and those who passed it.

    But humans are ever wont to blame the most visible individual.
    I agree the cop is just a small cog in a greater wheel. We should blame the greater apparatus responsible for destroying civil rights in our country.

    But the cop also has free will. He made his choice. The whole "just following orders" thing is no excuse.

  7. #67
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,748

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I agree the cop is just a small cog in a greater wheel. We should blame the greater apparatus responsible for destroying civil rights in our country.

    But the cop also has free will. He made his choice. The whole "just following orders" thing is no excuse.
    Probably was more worried about getting fired, if he even considered not following orders.

    Not that THAT is an excuse, either.

    But neither does his action excuse the level of hate which he apparently was on the receiving end of, after the event. Which is why he DID get awarded this money.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  8. #68
    Professor
    Keridan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Raleigh NC
    Last Seen
    08-19-17 @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,451

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    I love how few people actually know what happened here. It's amazing how little truth actually makes it into political drama. People jumped at the chance to demonize this cop with the videos that were carefully edited to tell a lie.

    Several students were rightfully arrested. When they were cuffed and being taken away, these other students created a wall with their own bodies to prevent the cops doing their jobs. They refused to move unless the cop let the prisoners go. Since they did not have the police power to arrest all these criminals, he had to settle for getting past them. They were detaining him and his prisoners, so he warned them several times, then used non-lethal force.

    The cop over-used the pepper spray on the criminals, that is true. However, they were lucky enough to escape the justified jail time.

    A 14 minute incident was recorded, edited down to 2 minutes of a couple cameras being held to carefully not show the full situation and posted online with deliberate attempt to completely misrepresent the situation. It worked big time! The cop was made out to be a big meanie who drenched these poor innocent children for sitting on the sidewalk.

    That led to the cop having his life turned upside down and being relentlessly threatened. The criminals who got too much pepper spray instead of the lesser dose and jail time they deserved were paid tens of thousands of dollars and the cop got nearly nothing.

    Somehow I'm having trouble taking all this outrage against him and the settlement seriously.
    Omniscience just sucks without omnipotence!

  9. #69
    Sage


    Thoreau72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    20,305

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With all due respect Henry, I remember this very well...They were sitting because the cops told them to vacate, so they squatted to protest the order, and the cop warned them at each stage what would happen if they didn't disperse....They weren't cuffed, and they were NOT ordered to sit there.

    Just so we are clear...

    "On November 18, 2011, police arrived wearing riot gear at 3:30 pm and began removing tents and arresting demonstrators obstructing the removal of tents. A group of demonstrators staged a sit-in on the walkway in the quad, linking arms together and refusing to move.[42] Campus police officers asked the demonstrators to move several times, but the students refused.[43]"

    UC Davis pepper-spray incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I stand corrected, they were blocking sidewalks. If that was the crime they say it was, isn't arrest the proper remedy?

    Why torture first?

    Sadistic tendencies, that's why, the Lucifer Effect in play.

  10. #70
    Sage
    Lord of Planar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Portlandia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,325

    Re: UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    What does $28K actually do for someone that got pepper sprayed?

    Was this a game show or something? A mini-lottery?

    Pepper spray me, too, please.
    It only gives them incentive to put themselves in that position again.

Page 7 of 12 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •