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UC Davis pepper-spray officer awarded $38,000 [W:25]

SO we shouldn't shoot "Nazi, Racist Bigot Tea Partiers " ??? Make up your mind.

You shouldn't be shooting anybody. Nor should you be administering the death penalty to anybody. You simply shouldn't be so predisposed with killing other human beings.

What is the meaning of your avatar? Is it an expression of hate?
 
I do not even see that. Lawsuits are how people seek redress for wrongs done to them that are not illegal. That is not a bad thing.

Maybe, I really am on the fence in this particular case.
 
Maybe, I really am on the fence in this particular case.

In this case, the investigation found that the school and police acted poorly. Basically, the need to disperse the crowd was not really important enough to use force. Based on that, and based on the fact that the protesters in question clearly has a significant if short lived pain inflicted on them, some sort of settlement was reasonable as a deterrent to this type action. The settlement was not overly large, so it seems fine to me.

The crime in this is that those who found it acceptable to threaten and harass Pike are not going to be sued nor criminally prosecuted. Whether Pike acted appropriately in a stressful situation is entirely irrelevant to whether those tactics used against him later where appropriate. Some things should be universally condemned and I think that is what some people are losing sight of here.
 
In this case, the investigation found that the school and police acted poorly. Basically, the need to disperse the crowd was not really important enough to use force. Based on that, and based on the fact that the protesters in question clearly has a significant if short lived pain inflicted on them, some sort of settlement was reasonable as a deterrent to this type action. The settlement was not overly large, so it seems fine to me.

The crime in this is that those who found it acceptable to threaten and harass Pike are not going to be sued nor criminally prosecuted. Whether Pike acted appropriately in a stressful situation is entirely irrelevant to whether those tactics used against him later where appropriate. Some things should be universally condemned and I think that is what some people are losing sight of here.

On this part we can disagree, but not what the thread is about, so on the rest of what you wrote as a whole, I agree.
 
As far as I am aware the protesters were arrested, and during the course of this, it is not uncommon for LE to attempt to defuse, and disperse the crowd through non lethal methods like this. IIRC, the chancellor of the University had allowed the protest to go on for a period of time, and then made the decision to have the police remove the demonstration from the quad. And gave ample opportunity for the people occupying that space to vacate on their own. They refused at every turn to follow lawful orders to dismantle, and disperse. That caused these events to take place.



I don't believe it was "torture".... The demonstrators were in charge of what happened to them, and could have avoided this outcome repeatedly. Situations of "torture", victims have no control. That was not the case here.



I quite disagree, unless you have some ability to get in the mind, and heart of the Lt. that used the non lethal force.

Just a question though, would you have rather had the police using batons, and billy clubs to disperse the crowd? Most certainly you would have been saying excessive force then as well, no?

I've been arrested several times, and never once had to be pepper sprayed. I know many others in the same situation over the years.

Lucifer Effect in play by at least one perverted cop. Is pepper spray better than tazer? I suppose so, if one has a heart condition.
 
I've been arrested several times, and never once had to be pepper sprayed. I know many others in the same situation over the years.

I am pretty sure that during those times you complied with orders of the arresting officer. But that is my assumption.

Lucifer Effect in play by at least one perverted cop.

I don't think that maligning the character of the police officer involved is relevant, nor is it within your purview to know unless you know him personally. Do you?

Is pepper spray better than tazer?

Absolutely it is...

I suppose so, if one has a heart condition.

I know so personally....
 
I am pretty sure that during those times you complied with orders of the arresting officer. But that is my assumption.



I don't think that maligning the character of the police officer involved is relevant, nor is it within your purview to know unless you know him personally. Do you?



Absolutely it is...



I know so personally....

I didn't malign his character--he displayed his character in front of God & Everybody, on TV.
 
And then there's this

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there are at least 2. PeteEU and Micheal66. Maybe try following your own advice as opposed to having your general knee-jerk reaction to someone's "political lean"

Stonewall too, so that's 3.
 
I do not even see that. Lawsuits are how people seek redress for wrongs done to them that are not illegal. That is not a bad thing.

That's pretty naive, Redress. Lawsuits are how a lot people try to make money. It's called Jackpot Justice. It's not about "redress", it's about deep pockets.
 
You just know that the Joos told him to do it. ;)

Don't know about that claim, but clearly the man received financial remuneration for his actions, and probably a letter of commendation in his personnel file. ;)
 
Inflicting pain and suffering on humans sitting on the sidewalk harming nobody.

That is a mis characterization of what took place that day. Tell me, how you would have seen that play out that day to your satisfaction?
 
It's no that hard to see from this who are the defenders of Nazi police tactics. Mere coincidence that they are the same people that are the teabagger Nazis and racists?

Presuming you refer to the media, who?

This officer should be shot. 1 bullet. The world has no room for corrupt cops.

Wow

A guy who sprays cuffed protestors? Maybe he didn't do that for money...but he is obviously not a clean cop.

Since we're making stuff up, how about... protesters that are inciting others, possibly to violence, and making the cops' job neigh impossible; it was time for them to cease and desist, before it got out of hand.
 
That's pretty naive, Redress. Lawsuits are how a lot people try to make money. It's called Jackpot Justice. It's not about "redress", it's about deep pockets.

So when a doctor had a resident run a catheter up to my step-sisters heart with no supervision, the resident got it wrong and permanently damaged her heart to the point she would be dead in 2 years at the age of 29, we sat around planning to get risch as our motive to sue? What an expert on human motivation you are...
 
Of course it's not justice, who do you think is paying these bills? No one involved deserved the money they got.

You are saying that workmans comp for public employees is unjust?
 
You are saying that workmans comp for public employees is unjust?

Not "unjust" (although the term "just" would have to be defined) but certainly you know that there are instances of fraud in the Workman's Comp arena, no?
 
Not "unjust" (although the term "just" would have to be defined) but certainly you know that there are instances of fraud in the Workman's Comp arena, no?

There are instinces of fraud in just about everything. There is no evidence of fraud in this case however.
 
Can someone answer what might be a stupid question?

What does the occasion number - as in this thread title [W:25] - mean? I see it on threads here and there and am confounded as to what it relates?

Thanks (sorry for the off-topic)
 
Can someone answer what might be a stupid question?

What does the occasion number - as in this thread title [W:25] - mean? I see it on threads here and there and am confounded as to what it relates?

Thanks (sorry for the off-topic)

It means there is a moderator warning in post 25.
 
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