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    Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old alliance - CBS News

    Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with US over response to conflict in Syria | Mail Online

    Saudi Arabia is reportedly threatening to scale back its decades-old partnership with Washington over the Obama administration's perceived weakness in dealing with Syrian leader Bashar Assad, and its recent furtive overtures with the Saudis' arch-enemy, Iran.


    Articles citing anonymous sources familiar with Saudi policy -- though notably, no articles in major Saudi publications -- have quoted the head of the Kingdom's intelligence services, Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud, as warning of a "major shift" or "scaling back" in the relationship.


    According to the source cited by the Reuters news agency, the prince told European diplomats "the shift away from the U.S. is a major one... Saudi doesn't want to find itself any longer in a situation where it is dependent."


    No Saudi official has confirmed, or even mentioned, a change in the practical dealings between the two nations, which include millions of dollars in military hardware purchases and close coordination by law enforcement agencies trying to counter al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists groups.
    This is not good. Need to watch how this develops. Kerry better get his act together.
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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    They must laugh at the clowns that represent America these days. We might as well be running Stuart Smalley or Boy George out to the Middle East.

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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    More Obama administration incompetence on full display again. I think he is the first American president to find a way to get everybody else in the world mad at us. Most manage just to get a few.
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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    you are a administration too late to assess the blame for this circumstance
    iraq under saddam was dominated by the sunni sect
    the same sect in control of the house of saud
    so, when we displaced saddam and the shia came into power, iraq was no longer in saudi arabia's orbit
    instead, with the shia dominated government in iraq, it's now more inclined toward alliance with the shia dominated iranian government
    you want to blame Obama but it was the shrub (more accurately, cheney) who changed the ME alliances out of saudi arabia's favor
    again, Obama has yet another problem to clean up from the prior regime
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    Oh well too bad, I'm tired of constantly backing SA, and the Gulf states, and by extension the Sunni Crescent.
    Time for the US to just back the Egyptian military (Obama recently stopped a lot of military aid), because Egypt is a key ally.

    We can keep the Sunni staes as key allies, but their is no reason to not try to get along with the Shi'as. Stay ourt of the proxy war in Syria, last I heard the CIA was trying to train up the "rebels", but since the rebels are in an internicene war with their own jihadists, that isn't a good idea.

    Stay as neutral as possible - which does extend our influence at the same time not giving up on our Sunni allies.

    SA can complain all they want, they need us as much as we need the Gulf states and it.

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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    It is a pity that we have the President we do. He does not have the experience required for the re-balancing of power. This could be as bad or even worse for the US than introducing a social health system of such magnitude as the man did without the money, the economic stability or even the software in place to keep it above water.

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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    Prince Bandar bin Sultan told European diplomats that the United States had failed to act effectively against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, was growing closer to Tehran, and had failed to back Saudi support for Bahrain when it crushed an anti-government revolt in 2011, the source said.


    Read more: Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with US over response to conflict in Syria | Mail Online
    hilarious. so the prince wants to run our Mideast policy, huh? We should 'degrade" Assad, because he wants us to>?
    Oh gee, they broke diplomatic ties..color me crushed..lol..i'm sure we didn't break Intel, and military ties

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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    So what should Kerry do? Bomb/land troops in Syria or throw away and opportunity to de escalate against the Iranians? Who wants an ally that requires either of those stipulations? The Saudi's are just Middle Eastern oil barron's that are use to the US doing their bidding.
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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    hilarious. so the prince wants to run our Mideast policy, huh? We should 'degrade" Assad, because he wants us to>?
    Oh gee, they broke diplomatic ties..color me crushed..lol..i'm sure we didn't break Intel, and military ties
    Yeah that one fact about the Saud actually handling their own business.....with their very own two hands. Still constantly eludes their comprehension.

    But I willing to help them focus. .....

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    re: Saudi Arabia warns U.S. that policy on Syria, Iran straining decades-old [W:70]

    The US and the rest of the world have always been irrelevant in this game. This is a fight between Sunni and Shia.

    Assad is an Alawite, which is a Shia sect.
    Iran is Shia.

    Saudi Arabia is Sunni, as is most of the people in the Syrian opposition.

    All this actually goes back to the Ottoman Empire... 1500-1518ish actually, where Shia Islam was declared heretic by the Caliph who was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. He used it to defeat a rebellion lead by people influenced by the Safavid Dynasty, a mostly Shia kingdom coming out of modern day Iran and later on to defeat the Mamlurks who controlled Mecca and Medina. Before this, there was an unwritten rule that Muslims did not attack Muslims which had been pretty much upheld for centuries. After this.. well, lets just say all bets are off.

    This has lead to today, where control of the holy sites is still key to Islamic politics, and at the moment it is the Saudi's that have this power, a power they took from the Ottomans and with the help of the British Empire. This has pissed off the Shia branch of Islam for a long time, and well couple that with the usual non religious politics of power, and you have a powder cake that has been going off for centuries. The Ottomans could keep a lid on this problem because the sultans had taken the role of Caliph, but after Kemal Atatürk got rid of the position after the defacto revolution, then the Islamic world has been without a leader to settle the religious problems between the two main sects and we have lived under this problem ever since.

    So that the US is defacto backing Assad.. or at least not getting rid of him fast enough, and playing friendly with Iran now, that pisses off the Saudi's because it is a threat to their dominance of the Islamic world.
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